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Shaler

01-09-2021 15:24:46




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Well folks, since the minimum wage will probably be about $16/hour soon, it got me thinking---I dont have the machinery or storage for those big "Big Square" bales of hay. Im not well versed in them, but is a common size like 3 x 3? I think there are 3 x 4's as well. Those are probably too big. What models, if any, have a bale chamber smaller than a 3 x 3? A small "big square" might have some potential. If they do indeed exist, I would prefer something built in this century, if anyone can identify a few models.

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Robert (ID)

01-11-2021 19:24:23




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Shaler, 01-09-2021 15:24:46  
Big squares.. the Big square that is industry standard is 4x4, then 3x4, then 3x3, and 2x3..
Ive hauled all of em but the 2x3 that SV has. Of all of em I like hauling 3x4 the best..

if you do 3x3 invest in good straps. Being square the are a little unstable, we hauled 3x3 bales in bunks of 9, 3 wide x 3 high and double strap each bunk .. some states will harass you with this set up for being over width..

4x4 isn't as bad but same problems.. the next thing with 4x4 is you only stack 2 high 2 wide so you lose a foot of height thus making your payload less..

3x4 is the best of both worlds.. you stack 3 high x 2 wide, VERY STABLE.. by going 3 high you get a good payload

I haven't got any experience with 2x3 but i would imagine they would be like the 3x4 and be very stable..


A question you need to look at is tractor HP.. any of these balers is going to take hp.. add an accumulator and /or hills and it takes more...

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Brendon-KS

01-12-2021 10:38:01




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Robert (ID), 01-11-2021 19:24:23  
With Massey/Hesston, New Holland, Deere and I assume the other manufacturers what is typically called a "3x3" bale is actually only 32" wide so a three-wide load should within the standard trucking width.



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svcummins

01-12-2021 17:34:03




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Brendon-KS, 01-12-2021 10:38:01  
I load 2x3 three wide and they donít fit all the way on an 8 foot wide trailer



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Brendon-KS

01-12-2021 18:37:10




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to svcummins, 01-12-2021 17:34:03  
That was one of the problems with the D1000 - the bale was a true 3 ft wide so you couldn't stack them three wide on a trailer and not be over width. Modern "3-ft" balers have narrower chambers to correct this issue.



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svcummins

01-13-2021 01:51:02




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Brendon-KS, 01-12-2021 18:37:10  
That makes sense I guess . Never had a problem with the width but Iím not shipping a million ton either but to 5x6 round bales stick off a foot each side of an 8 foot bed . We are supposed to have a permit I guess but Iíve never gotten one



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svcummins

01-11-2021 20:14:32




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Robert (ID), 01-11-2021 19:24:23  
3x3 is a miserable size to handle they donít like to stack and they donít like to haul either . The 4x4 are big and heavy enough they will stay where you put them



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Thehickdaddy

01-12-2021 19:32:21




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to svcummins, 01-11-2021 20:14:32  
This is what I think of when I head someone say little big bales here in oregon

Let me know if video plays.
I will grab link of stack wagon also



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paul

01-13-2021 07:51:46




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Thehickdaddy, 01-12-2021 19:32:21  
Never in my life have I ever seen anything like that, nor did I imagine such a thing was out there.

What exactly is it doing, you cant make a giant pancake or waffale bale like that and tie it around with twin, the bale would fall all apart. How is it held together?

The front auger flapper keeps stopping on the baler, is that slipping in overloaded, or some feed speed design?

Well, 100 more questions, but that is the strangest thing Iíve seen today.

I realize it is very similar to the popular NH small square handling of bales with their stack wagon, but it is somehow making one giant slab of bale at a time? I donít get how it keeps its form.

Paul

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Thehickdaddy

01-13-2021 08:51:28




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to paul, 01-13-2021 07:51:46  
Just an amazing inventing family. Been making custom machines since the 60s. The goal of the custom machines was faster hay production for better quality hay while using less manual labor.
Did you check out the other link of the bale wagon for the 8 by 8 bale?

The auger stopping is intentional because it is stopping the feed so the hydraulic ramps can stroke and make a flake. Yes hydraulic, not a gearbox with a plunger flailing about and making flakes of any size, these balers made every flake consistant because plunger did not strike until feeder was full.

For tying it together, I love this part, used 10 knotters. 10 knottersyou say, why is that? Because later in the year when you get the order for small bales, you feed these 8 by 8 bales into the rebaler, it slices between the strings to form 5 narrow bales, operate then removed the strings and machine runs a set of needles and now the 5 longs were retied into 10 shorts So the ease of stacking 8 by 8 bales but with rebaler machine, also the option of cutting them down to small bales without shredding the bales thru a second bailer

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svcummins

01-13-2021 14:07:10




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Thehickdaddy, 01-13-2021 08:51:28  
Pretty neat but no matter how you package an idiot cube itís still an idiot cube and you still donít have the capacity of any of the larger bales



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Thehickdaddy

01-12-2021 19:34:05




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Thehickdaddy, 01-12-2021 19:32:21  
Also unique little big bale stack wagon here on oregon



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MikeJM

01-10-2021 06:40:30




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Shaler, 01-09-2021 15:24:46  
Around here a lot of guys have been running either bale barrons or bandits. They end up with 21 small bales in the bundle. 3x7 bales. Ends up almost 4x4x6. And you still have small bales for resale or handling.



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Baum604

01-10-2021 01:39:41




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Shaler, 01-09-2021 15:24:46  
New Holland now makes a newer baler that makes 2x3 bales.

New Holland BigBaler 230.



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svcummins

01-11-2021 13:16:32




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Baum604, 01-10-2021 01:39:41  
Iíve been looking at the baler itís about 70,000$



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svcummins

01-09-2021 19:15:33




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Shaler, 01-09-2021 15:24:46  
New holland d1000 makes a 2x3 ten times better to haul and stack than a 3x3 because they are oblong they sit on a truck or trailer a lot nicer nothing to them they are just big little baler they weigh just under 10,000 pounds with hay in em they make up to a 700 pound bale is the heaviest I make

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paul

01-09-2021 16:38:10




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 Re: Small Big squares! in reply to Shaler, 01-09-2021 15:24:46  
Well, the NH D1000 makes a 2x3 bale. Iíve heard they need some attention along the way tho.

Wonder if an accumulator and grapple and such wouldnít keep your customers happy with small squares and reduce labor. Maybe you are already there.

Paul



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