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Hay Rake Identity

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Massey83

03-25-2020 19:31:12




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Hi. I have an old side delivery rake that I would like to know the make and hopefully model number of.

Most of the rake is completely rusted, but there are a few spots where I can see paint. The gears and a few other spots on the rake appear to have been red. I can't say for certain, but it looks like the wheels might have been yellow or cream.

The lid on the gear box, as well as a couple of other parts say "Made in Canada". The suspected colours and fact it was made in Canada lead me to think that it is a Massey Harris or Cockshutt, but I can't say for certain. I'm hoping someone out there can help me pin down this mystery machine.

[img]https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/photos/mvphoto51353.jpg[/img]

[img]https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/photos/mvphoto51354.jpg[/img]

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Leroy

03-30-2020 07:33:33




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Massey83, 03-25-2020 19:31:12  
I saw an older COOP 3 bar rake at a show one time and at first thought it was a New Idea 3 bar and made at Coldwater, Ohio So simular I wonder if New Idea made that rake for the Coop line and it would have been made before 1946. Yours I am sure was made at Brantford Ontario Canada where the 47 up Coop and Cockshutt 30-40 tractors were made.



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Massey83

03-28-2020 22:43:11




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Massey83, 03-25-2020 19:31:12  
I was mistaken! It is indeed the same machine as the Co-op, but was branded as a Cockshutt. I was looking at it today, and with the eye of faith, I could JUUUUST make out Co SH TT in an ever-so different colour of rust when looking at it from the side.



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Massey83

03-27-2020 18:48:04




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Massey83, 03-25-2020 19:31:12  
[img]https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/photos/mvphoto51433.jpg[/img]

[img]https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/photos/mvphoto51434.jpg[/img]

[img]https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/photos/mvphoto51435.jpg[/img]



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Massey83

03-27-2020 19:10:27




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Massey83, 03-27-2020 18:48:04  

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Leroy

03-27-2020 20:22:12




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Massey83, 03-27-2020 19:10:27  
That is a strange rake and I have no idea what it is, never saw one like that. The caster wheel mountings sort of look homemade for part of them and the rear rake lift is very strange. But it is not an IH rake and if a MH it is a different model that I have not seen. The shape of the hitch is a lot like both the IH and MH. Does it have open drive gears or enclosed and does it have a reverce gear for tedding?

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Massey83

03-27-2020 23:25:07




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Leroy, 03-27-2020 20:22:12  
Just came across this link and I think I've cracked it. It appears to be a Co-op E4 rake.

https://bid.sheridanauctionservice.com/lot-details/index/catalog/17670/lot/2520141



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Leroy

03-28-2020 08:46:04




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Massey83, 03-27-2020 23:25:07  
I knew things looked slightly familar. I saw one once and they were made by Cockshutt in Canads. Think I have something on them someware in everything. The one I saw was owned by the person that worked for Landmark elevator when they were selling the Coop line of machinery. So that just makes sence.



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Leroy

03-26-2020 09:05:06




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Massey83, 03-25-2020 19:31:12  
How about some more pictures then I might be able to identify it. Like the mounting for the caster wheels, the front excendric on the real. The frame on a Massey and a IHC 4 bar enclosed gear rake are vuturaly? identical. Some other minor changes. Like some lever controls and the 2 spots I mentioned. Had both the IH and MH rakes in my dealing with the Amish on them. Both use same teeth and clips to hold teeth on. Before I knew about the MF rake I put a real that I thought was an improved IH in a IH rake but it turned out to be a MH rake that I got the real out of a scrap yard and it layed for several years before doing the swap. Later I got to working with the Amish supplying them with machinery that they could no longer find locally to them. Over the years I must have handled or been around 60+ steel wheel rakes. And I have converted JD 594L rake to a 594 steel wheel rake using parts from different rakes. Same with NI rakes I lost track of how many I completely rebuilt. That two spots I mentioned I think will tell me if it is a MH or IHC rake, definatly not a JD, Dain, NI, MM, Case, Oliver, DB, Coop, Cockshutt, AC

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Massey83

03-26-2020 20:31:25




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Leroy, 03-26-2020 09:05:06  
I can get a few more shots of it Friday afternoon.

Cheers



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FastFarmall

03-26-2020 12:16:10




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Leroy, 03-26-2020 09:05:06  
LeRoy, you sound like you'r the rake whisper, i got a Massey side delivery, just two wheels, it still work's, excepte the disengagement mechanism,it turns all the time, it would make a good parts rake or maybe could be fixed, I can send you a picture !! Fast



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Leroy

03-27-2020 07:36:00




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to FastFarmall, 03-26-2020 12:16:10  
Out of the bussiness now due to age, health and other problems.



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FastFarmall

03-27-2020 07:40:51




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Leroy, 03-27-2020 07:36:00  
ok



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Leroy

03-27-2020 07:38:09




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Leroy, 03-27-2020 07:36:00  
And I only worked with 4 wheel rakes, don't know much about the 2 wheel models.



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495man

03-26-2020 06:02:47




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to Massey83, 03-25-2020 19:31:12  
MH stuff usually had <M-H> cast into some parts.



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ptfarmer

03-25-2020 19:36:39




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oliverkid

03-26-2020 03:33:42




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to ptfarmer, 03-25-2020 19:36:39  
Most of the Massey Harris stuff I have run across usually has a MH stamp in all the major castings somewhere. It was usually kinda small so may have to hit it with a wire brush to find anything. Not much Cockshutt in this are so I have little experience but Iím sure there would be some sort of company logo or mark in a casting somewhere indicating that as well.



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Farmallb

03-25-2020 20:06:29




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 Re: Hay Rake Identity in reply to ptfarmer, 03-25-2020 19:36:39  
Looks to be a good rake. Im still using my dads JD steel wheel rake. Sure wish I had that barn lol



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