Running gear identification

Hello everybody,
Trying to identify this old running gear
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I've seen pics elsewhere on the net that look close (like Oliver 5029a) I am going to take a guess that the company "Electric" made these for a lot of people. was not able to find an identification tag in anywhere though maybe I'm not looking in the right place hoping you all might have some leads for me.
Thanks,
-Josh
 
I have what appears to be it's exact twin, it's the "store brand" of Lindsay Brothers Wholesale in Minneapolis.

We we resellers of their heating system parts back in the 70's and could buy things from the ag side "at cost", as well.

I have NO idea who mode it for them.
 
Thanks guys,
It has 14" 5lug wheels (looks like the larger Chevy truck pattern but I haven't measured yet to verify)

Guessing it's rated as a 6t?

Looked for a tag on the tongue and front axle/bolster where it seemed one might be but didn't see one. I will for sure look again a little better.

I'd like to switch the tongue over to a 2" ball hitch as opposed to the pintle hook that's on it now.

Thinking the plan will be to do hay wagon with stake sides for adding racks later. Seen this done a multitude of ways. Still undecided if I want to go with a welded frame where the deck boards lay on top or a wood frame with perimeter steel. Seems like there would be pros and cons with both.

Just kind of cleaning it up and poking around at it now, really haven't jumped in. Tires will probably be first on the list haven't looked for date codes but Firestone bias ply and nylon belted....they're old. :)

I'll continue to use everybody's suggestions for searching. Hopefully I can find a tag.

Thanks for the help,
-Josh
 
Standard 5 lug implement wheels. Older Ford cars 28-35 and again 41-48 , some Mercurys about 1950 and Ford half ton trucks used that lug pattern as well. Looks like a wide wheel track gear (about 72") instead of normal about 60" wheel track. Can you measure how wide the wheel track is and post back? Could help identify. And looks more like a 4 ton gear than 6 ton. A lot of 6 ton were 6 lug and even some 4 or 5 ton gears were 6 lug. And check back axle for tag, never saw any model information on any front axle, only rear axle. 14" wheels say they were made after 1957 when first 14" car tires came out.
 
That's a tuff one. They all look so much the same. What narrows it down is that rear hitch being part of the reach. That doesn't help me but might help someone else identify.
 
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Here's where the tag was supposed to be. On the back like you guys suggested. Unfortunately, it was ripped off and destroyed except for two slivers and the rivets.

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Didn't check my messages in time to get a measurement of the width. But here it is next to some standard pallets for scale. I'll measure next time I get back there to it and report back.
Thanks,
-Josh
 
Rusty - I can't identify the manufacturer of your running gear and probably no one else can either but it doesn't matter as there are so many that look alike. I have rebuilt 11 running gears and have bought and sold 7 others in my parade wagon building hobby. Running gears are pretty simple machines - a rear axle, a front axle, a reach that connects them and a steering mechanism of tongue and usually tie rods although I had a gear with a 5th wheel steering. Even if you were absolutely sure who manufactured it, you probably couldn't get original replacement parts for it. Go with what you've got, straighten what's bent, replace rusted bolts, oil and grease things that don't move well, weld breaks, and replace whatever needs to be replaced with your cut and weld skills although I don't have these skills and had to have a local welding company help me out. You can easily find implement 5-bolt wheels in 14" or 15" diameter. I've used both. Paint it any color you want and call it whatever you want. I am a believer that you are right unless someone can prove you wrong. As long as you don't call it a John Deere gear - most people can identify an older John Deere gear such as 952, 953, 963, you'll be good.
 
(quoted from post at 17:45:53 02/23/20) Rusty - I can't identify the manufacturer of your running gear and probably no one else can either but it doesn't matter as there are so many that look alike. I have rebuilt 11 running gears and have bought and sold 7 others in my parade wagon building hobby. Running gears are pretty simple machines - a rear axle, a front axle, a reach that connects them and a steering mechanism of tongue and usually tie rods although I had a gear with a 5th wheel steering. Even if you were absolutely sure who manufactured it, you probably couldn't get original replacement parts for it. Go with what you've got, straighten what's bent, replace rusted bolts, oil and grease things that don't move well, weld breaks, and replace whatever needs to be replaced with your cut and weld skills although I don't have these skills and had to have a local welding company help me out. You can easily find implement 5-bolt wheels in 14" or 15" diameter. I've used both. Paint it any color you want and call it whatever you want. I am a believer that you are right unless someone can prove you wrong. As long as you don't call it a John Deere gear - most people can identify an older John Deere gear such as 952, 953, 963, you'll be good.
Thanks Joe,
I'm kind of arriving there. Looking at it I see a clear path on where to start, and I'm certainly no stranger to specing out parts based on size and feature. However I have found that part numbers can sometimes be helpful in terms of part searching. And I always enjoy seeing old documentation and part diagrams. Figured it might be worth a shot anyway. I'm sure that regardless of it's designed/engineered capabilities, it will hold up to what I intend to do with it. Guess I will probably proceed with it as I can and work through parts issues as they arise. Some of these rims are pretty rough, if I can't straighten them out I may be on the lookout for a couple of those. I'm sure things like bearings can be matched up by size.
Getting it on a trailer to bring it to the shop will likely be the first challenge. Thinking I might block under it and strap it down to the 18ft utility trailer. Anyway, one step at a time :)
Thanks,
-Josh
 
(quoted from post at 03:31:57 02/24/20)
(quoted from post at 17:45:53 02/23/20) Rusty - I can't identify the manufacturer of your running gear and probably no one else can either but it doesn't matter as there are so many that look alike. I have rebuilt 11 running gears and have bought and sold 7 others in my parade wagon building hobby. Running gears are pretty simple machines - a rear axle, a front axle, a reach that connects them and a steering mechanism of tongue and usually tie rods although I had a gear with a 5th wheel steering. Even if you were absolutely sure who manufactured it, you probably couldn't get original replacement parts for it. Go with what you've got, straighten what's bent, replace rusted bolts, oil and grease things that don't move well, weld breaks, and replace whatever needs to be replaced with your cut and weld skills although I don't have these skills and had to have a local welding company help me out. You can easily find implement 5-bolt wheels in 14" or 15" diameter. I've used both. Paint it any color you want and call it whatever you want. I am a believer that you are right unless someone can prove you wrong. As long as you don't call it a John Deere gear - most people can identify an older John Deere gear such as 952, 953, 963, you'll be good.
Thanks Joe,
I'm kind of arriving there. Looking at it I see a clear path on where to start, and I'm certainly no stranger to specing out parts based on size and feature. However I have found that part numbers can sometimes be helpful in terms of part searching. And I always enjoy seeing old documentation and part diagrams. Figured it might be worth a shot anyway. I'm sure that regardless of it's designed/engineered capabilities, it will hold up to what I intend to do with it. Guess I will probably proceed with it as I can and work through parts issues as they arise. Some of these rims are pretty rough, if I can't straighten them out I may be on the lookout for a couple of those. I'm sure things like bearings can be matched up by size.
Getting it on a trailer to bring it to the shop will likely be the first challenge. Thinking I might block under it and strap it down to the 18ft utility trailer. Anyway, one step at a time :)
Thanks,
-Josh
Good evening: Just an opinion; I might wait on buying tires if the present ones will hold up while you rework the trailer. No need to put several years of ageing and deterioration while it is in shop.

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.
 
Thanks Dennis,
I'm likely to hunt down some used tires for the time being.I have reached out to my local farm salvage and it's not looking like 14" rims are going to be easy to find in that pattern. One looks really rough. Can't plan to get in much of a hurry on any of the fixing with it. You're right new tires wouldn't make much sense.

Planning to measure for the 2" ball coupler tomorrow since I have to place an order for other stuff from a good place for getting those.

Still undecided how I am going to do the frame/deck/stake sides but figure I'll have a plan once we get there.
 
The steering and tongue look Electric Wheel to me.The extra width makes it easy to use wide spaced (42" or more). The 14"rims make it hard to find cheap car tires.I had several with 14" rims and we used to use Lincoln and Chrysler 8.50 or 9.00 wide tires,even on the narrow rims, but they are too old now. Cheap 9.50x14 implelents will be a little lower. The rear hitch is already there for pulling a second wagon.
 
Thanks Guys!
I think its safe to assume at this point that it is either electric wheel or made by them under a trade name. it is 71" track width (CL to CL of tires. it's set at 88" wheelbase. curious what it would extend to or what length others find most useful. figure I will probably have to play around with it just see what looks right.
As far as tires go, I'm going to scour the for sale ads and try to find them as I can. the rims are rough but i think with a little work, i can straighten them out well enough. I'll post more pics once i dig in.
Thanks,
-Josh
 

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