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JD 148 loader

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Mike(NEOhio)

10-09-2019 14:58:37




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A few weeks ago I posted about putting one on a 1550. Finally called and it's still there. He's asking $3K, said he might take $2500. Fair price??




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Tx Jim

10-12-2019 09:46:05




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Mike

Since you measured 20 1/2 '' it will be make attaching 148 mounting brackets to 1550 much simpler



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Mike(NEOhio)

10-12-2019 09:29:22




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Thanks Tx and JD. I double checked the Oliver this morning and the rear pads are 20 1/2, fronts are 18+ a bit. Wondering if they were somewhat standardized since the xx50 Olivers were contemporary with the 20 series Deeres. This is looking better. Last night I thought (duh) to look at the JD online catalogs. Several side frames and numerous valve arrangements. Now I have to decide if I want to spend the money, have to discuss with the bookkeeper.

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JD Seller

10-12-2019 17:06:04




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-12-2019 09:29:22  
Mike to the best of my knowledge there was not standard on the frames between tractor manufactures. Your just lucky that the Oliver 1550 is that width. I have mounted various loaders on different brands of tractors. Usually this involves cutting, welding and fabricating of brackets. Almost never is it a direct bolt up deal.



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Tx Jim

10-12-2019 03:04:52




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
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JD Seller

I fail to visualize how rear mounts on Oliver tractor that are 20 3/4'' apart can require a washer to mount brackets that are suppose to be 20 1/2'' wide. My thinking is one needs to remove 1/8'' from rear inside FEL bracket attaching point to 1550 or possibly spread loader masts 1/8'' on each side



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JD Seller

10-11-2019 22:50:05




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Mike then mounting it would be fairly easy. You can more than likely line the frame up with either the top or bottom set of holes in the Oliver 1550 tub. The 20 3/4 would just be a simple washer spacer. The 18 1/2 would work well with two, one inch thick flat stock drilled with the pattern to cover both holes. Then use grade eight bolts.
I would also make a plate to fit behind your current front weight bracket. You would hook this to the front of the loader side frames. This helps take some of the load off the side frame bolts. There is a cross member that bolts between the bottom frame rail saddles, it should be low enough to go under your tub without any issue. So I think the actual physical mounting would not be too hard.
As for the hydraulic valve. IF it is the JD valve it would be closed center only. The ones I remember would not be changeable. If it is an after market valve then it could very well be changed with just a different plug in the side. Then just have the Oliver experts tell you where to get the supply and return hydraulic oil on your Oliver 1550.

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Mike(NEOhio)

10-11-2019 15:03:33




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Took a look at it this morning. Nobody home but I found it hanging in a lean to. Real nice condition but the 4020 was out of sight so I couldn't see the side brackets. Going to look again tomorrow. Now that I've seen it I think it may go on the Ollie OK. Does anybody have pics and dimensions of the side plates?



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JD Seller

10-11-2019 16:42:10




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-11-2019 15:03:33  
Mike here is the MAGIC number on JD row crop tractor frame rails. LOL They are 20 1/2 inches wide. This was the same from the JD 4010-3010 clear to the JD 4455 tractors. So measure the width of your Oliver 1550 tub. If it is narrower than 20 1/2 inches making the loader work will be easy. IF it is wider then your going to need to cut and weld the side frames.



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Mike(NEOhio)

10-11-2019 16:57:01




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to JD Seller, 10-11-2019 16:42:10  
WOW, thanks JD. Magic number for sure. The Oliver is 20 3/4 across the rear mounting pads and 18 1/2 on the front pads. See the picture.



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Mike(NEOhio)

10-11-2019 05:34:05




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Thanks JD but it's an Oliver 1550 RC. Two large mounting surfaces on each side with 3/4 threaded holes. May just be doable.



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JD Seller

10-11-2019 16:21:38




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-11-2019 05:34:05  
Mike I was assuming that you had a JD tractor. The JD 148 loader would be a good match for the 1550. Would be easy to make the mount work.



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Tx Jim

10-11-2019 03:39:28




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
JD Seller

From previous posts I think Mike(NEOhio) is referring to an Oliver 1550 which has open-center hyd's not JD 1550. If this is correct the 148 mounting bracket for a JD 6 cyl Mannheim built tractor would be a better choice than the JD 4 cyl mounting bracket on model 146 FEL.



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JD Seller

10-10-2019 19:08:26




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Mike I hate to rain on this idea but the JD 1550 you have takes a different mounting bracket than the one that would mount a JD 148 loader on a JD 4020. The current one he has does not have axle brackets and it also does not have the plug of steel on the front side rails that fits into the hole in the casting on the front side of your tractor. Also the JD 148 loader is longer and bigger than the loader for your tractor. The JD 148 bracket will interfere with the front axle too. (IRC)

Your tractor would have taken a JD 146 loader with utility tractor mounts. Also your tractor will need the side panels that go from the front casting to the clutch housing. These look like six inch wide, half in thick, flat plates that take the stress off the engine block.

I know you can "make it fit" with a torch and welder but you will have to have the rear axle supports or you can break the clutch/transmission housing on the tractor. The JD 148 loader is a longer loader too an this will put the loaded bucket further out than the JD 146 loader. So you will have less lifting force.

JD utility tractor with a JD 146 loader. Look at how the bracket goes under the foot rests and extends back to the rear axle. Also how the bracket stops and does not go past the cut out for the front axle. (This could be different on your JD 1550, just the front axle cut out, the bracket would still go back to the rear axle.)


Here is a JD 148 loader mounted on a JD 3020. This is the same mount as the JD 4020 takes. Look at how the bolts are in a straight line along the tractor frame rails. Your tractor does not have these frame rails to bolt too. Look at how the bracket goes up and over the front axle too. It is a totally different mounting than the one a JD Mannheim built tractor takes. Also notice no axle supports/brackets.

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lastcowboy32

10-10-2019 14:39:52




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Out of curiosity, I looked up specs for the 148.

According to the source that I found, 4,700 lbs of breakout and 3,100 pounds to max height.

That's pretty impressive for a loader made in the 70's.



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lastcowboy32

10-10-2019 14:31:52




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
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You hit the main point.
If you have the money, and if you think it's worth it to you...

Who is to argue?

If you buy it, I hope you get many years' of service out of it.



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Mike(NEOhio)

10-10-2019 14:21:13




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Did some internet searching this morning and it looks like he's asking about average. It's on a 4020 now and he said it's in nice shape. I'd change it to an open center valve and use power beyond, not remotes. No biggie to me if it's a little slow, I'll just be using it for some light grading around the place, moving rocks, etc. Not far away so I have to go give it a look at least. Main concern is what it will take to get it mounted.

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JD Seller

10-10-2019 19:13:36




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-10-2019 14:21:13  
Mike your JD 1550 should have closed center hydraulics on it not open center hydraulics. I know JD switched back and forth on the JD 1520 and JD 2040 but not the JD 1550 to my knowledge. The JD 1550 was not sold in the US new. The JD 2150 was sold in the US. I know the JD 2150 had closed center hydraulics.



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61-4010

10-10-2019 12:48:29




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
I bought a JD 58 Farm Loader for $1900. Awesome loader....built super strong. It has just the single cylinder for the bucket but she's a big one. Had to have that cylinder rebuilt by a specialty hydraulics place. But so well worth the money. Loader is incredible on my 4010. Considering when I bought mine and the price, $3k today is in the ballpark for sure.



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Cornerpost

10-10-2019 11:21:04




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
For what it is worth paid $2500 for a 158 loader with JD valve kit mounted on mast. Slightly better than average condition. SE MN about 6 weeks ago.



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lastcowboy32

10-10-2019 07:49:35




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Another thing that I'm wondering about with the loader that you're looking at is the tilt ram configuration. Some JD loaders had a single ram in the middle. Some had two rams along the side arms.

My brother's JD loader is the single middle ram.
That particular ram is a mongrelized oddball that isn't made anymore. When he's needed to fix or rebuild this cylinder, he has to send it away to a specialty hydraulics shop.

Just something to look at on the one that you're thinking about.

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ss55

10-10-2019 09:49:44




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to lastcowboy32, 10-10-2019 07:49:35  
The earlier #48 loader had the single bucket cylinder.



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lastcowboy32

10-10-2019 07:36:50




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
I am also selling the spooler controls with the loader, just for comparison's sake.

I assume that the controls are coming with the 148 that you are looking at.



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lastcowboy32

10-10-2019 07:35:29




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Must be the green paint.

I took a very nice Ford loader off of my 4000, and I'm struggling to get 1000 for it. Best offer so far is 800.

I understand, for instance, the loader option on the new tractor that I bought was 8,000 dollars.

In no way are these two loaders the same, the 8,000 dollar one is brand new, 84" bucket, 5,000lbs breakout force, 3500lbs to full height; whereas the Ford loader is about half of that, and old. The new loader is also quick on-off to the tractor (5 minutes, no tools) and is equipped with the quick attach bucket system.

My Ford loader is closer to the 148 that you're considering. Main difference is down pressure. My Ford loader didn't have down pressure. Even so, potential buyers that I have talked to have expressed that they would maybe go to something like 1200-1500 with down pressure.

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Hay maker2

10-10-2019 06:37:14




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Another thing to consider:

Did this come off of a John Deere? If yes then it should have a valve for a closed center hydraulics.

The 1550 has open center hydraulics, you would need a different valve



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NY 986

10-10-2019 05:36:10




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
In the ballpark for around here.



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rustyfarmall

10-10-2019 05:02:12




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
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I will argue with you on the F11. I installed one on my Farmall M. NOT the easiest loader I ever installed, and there is no way to remove it without hanging it from a tree or something.



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svcummins

10-10-2019 10:37:19




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to rustyfarmall, 10-10-2019 05:02:12  
I can take off the farmhand or put it on in less than 20 minutes 4 bolts and 4 hoses and take stack extension off and drive in or out



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Hay maker2

10-10-2019 04:59:09




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
The price is about right for the 148 loader and they are a darn good loader too.

I must question if the Ollie has enough hydraulics to run the loader? Deere had there hydraulics set to 2250psi and I think the Oliver's ran about 1600PSI????

I have the extended reach version of the 148 on my 4020, the 158 loader.



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Mike(NEOhio)

10-10-2019 16:34:07




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Hay maker2, 10-10-2019 04:59:09  
1550 hydraulic is 2100 psi, 15 GPM but 5 goes to the steering.



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Case Nutty 1660

10-10-2019 04:51:13




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
148's bring 800-1200 here any more,, I know where five or six are for sale around here or did last two guys were talking take them to the scrap place ,, had a 4020 dsl here with one I took on trade,, finally traded it to a jokey in SD,, cab on it synco, dsl,, started and ran and had good tires,, was lucky I felt I got 3K for the whole machine, it was not a rusted pile either,, last green one I will ever take on trade sold my 1850 Oliver for 10,000 but it was a MFD one too,, same jokey got both of them,, F-10 was a good enough loader but only for a open station unit I still have one in the tree grove, they only bring 300-400 here now days and only of they have a good pto pump,, if you are lucky, quick attach units are what every one here wants anymore,, only ones who buy the older loaders are the weekend ranchers with a acre or two and most of those go buy a new Kubota or small Deere I am seeing far more Kubotas these days though as the dealers are very good to deal with compared to green boys,, who just want to sell big items it seems,,

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Tx Jim

10-10-2019 03:41:05




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
$3K sounds about right for a JD 148 FEL



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svcummins

10-09-2019 16:25:05




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Mike(NEOhio), 10-09-2019 14:58:37  
Id find a farmhand f11 lot cheaper easier to mount and suited about right for the weaker hydraulic flow on the Oliver



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Leroy

10-09-2019 20:02:05




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to svcummins, 10-09-2019 16:25:05  
I don't know that I have ever even seen a Farmhand loader here in Ohio. Did they even sell them here?



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rrlund

10-11-2019 10:33:09




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Leroy, 10-09-2019 20:02:05  
I bought one from a fellow YT member mainly for the bucket. That one had a PTO pump on it. I can't imagine filling those big cylinders with an Oliver hydraulic system. It'd be painfully slow I fear. Hofferbert Sales in Bannister Mi has one that came off a 1650. I don't know what they want for it,but I'd pay four times more for the 148 Deere before I'd buy one of those big old monstrosities.



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svcummins

10-11-2019 10:54:48




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to rrlund, 10-11-2019 10:33:09  
The farmhand definitely Is not in the same class as the newer style loaders but they are strong and cheap. If I ever get rich and famous Id like a newer style loader



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svcummins

10-10-2019 10:06:35




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 Re: JD 148 loader in reply to Leroy, 10-09-2019 20:02:05  
They might not have been that popular in your area. They were here for a long time the first ones were mounted on reversed trucks everyone use to have them they went to tractor mounted loaders . They are strong loaders they will handle two ton pretty easy these are two 1900 pound bales

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