no color war please

LarryH

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we were discussing farm equipment and the question came up name a piece of equipment that deere made better and ahead of others-----we couldn't come up with a one plow no oliver got em ----corn planter nope kinze ---disk nope white and ih----disk mower no way try to fix one 20 years behind times----grinder mixer nope bearcat had em---mowing machine compare a deere 5-8-9 to a ford 501 it aint close---vee rake nope at least 3 companies better-----round balers nah Vermeer got em by years---if I didn't sell parts and work on em it ight be different but deere has some of the craziest ideas I have ever seen and it goes on square balers nh got em---elevators---ni all the way---bushog at least companies better and the list goes on and on and on
 
I will put my no.8 mower up against any ford or any other off breed you can find . My 3x14 John Deere plow pulls easier than my 2x14 ih plow has better trash clearance and a lot simpler and cheaper to fix trip mechanism . We bought brand new 535 John Deere round baler simple and easy to use and would swallow a new Holland or Vermeer whole . John Deere unit drills lz1010 and ll147 hitch is designed ten times better and built heavier than a IH 620
 
I've never had one but I don't think there was a better planter then JD. 7000. To this day it will plant with the best of them.
 
Well the first one would be the 40 series corn heads came out in 1972-3 and took over the market. Then the JD 200 series flexheads for cutting soybeans. It took the other companies years to get a header that could do as good of job. I will also add the JD 7000 series corn planter.
 
How do you come up with a post like that and then not expect a color war. You offer no rhyme or reason to why any of those brands was better then JD other then the color of the paint. That's fine we are all entitled to our opinions and likes/dislikes no matter what.

NH didn't get JD on square balers. Oh they made bales, just no square bales. That fact JD is still using the same design successfully for 40 years speaks for itself. Only thing NH out did JD was on the hay swathers. They were built heavier and had the twin sickle drive long before JD did. Back in the day when box drills were still popular there were a lot of JD 9000 series drills that pushed all sorts of tractors beside JD. And so did the old LZBs. And staying on the seeding front, it seems like they've had pretty good success with their no-till disc drill opener.

I'll put up any pre 00 series JD combine against the competition. They might no win in every single category but averaged out overall they outlasted the competition. And like svcummins pointed out, Kinze got started using JD planter units. So how do you say a Kinze is better when both are the same thing? Once again it goes back to the color of the paint. JD round balers were just as good as Vermeer starting with the 530/535s.
 
Kinze won a court settlement against JD for patent infringement on finger planter, thus JD did not originally invent finger planter, but copied it.
 
JD didn't infringe on any patents. What Kinze did through the court was invalidate the JD patents by proving there was "prior" history on several of the features JD tried to patent. When Kinze won, he was allowed to copy what JD did without having to pay royalties. And the whole lawsuit came about because Kinze was buying his units from JD and JD tried cutting him off when his corn planters started to take off.
 
We used a JD rake for a while,realized what a mistake that was when I bought a NH 256 better rake in every way.Our JD 24T baler gave us good service and made a good bale about the same as NH
balers of that era.955 JD tractor is a great little machine but of course that was built by Yanmar.
 
No til drill....I still don't think anyone makes one better than the JD model. They have well over half the market here.

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Some of the things the original poster mentioned, John Deere didn't even make, for instance Deere's disc mowers weren't years behind. They are Kuhn mowers, which are as good as anybodies. Deere V rakes were built by other companies. Some were god and some were junk, depending who made them. I think every company were behind Vermeer round balers, since Gary Vermeer invented them.
 
Far as i read the guys who came up with the finger pickup first offered it to IH but IH said it was to complex and went with the cyclo instead.
 
The only thing i can think of is the running gears and the 300 husker. Not firsts by no means but problaly only bests they made. As far as goofy equipment Allis Chalmers has every company beat by far.
 
How about the HydraPush manure spreader. Only after Deere's patent expired did everyone else start building them and Deere sold the rights to PikRite who still builds them.
 
Eugene Keeton invented the finger pickup unit he also invented the seed firmer. deere didn't invent one thing on the maxmerge planter.
 
Let us not forget the rotary combine. It took International Harvester to invent the single rotor combine but it took John Deere to perfect it.
 
Allis wasn't afraid to take chances were they? LOL Round balers,front unloading side discharge manure spreaders,no til corn planters...
 
You know they were so different but still worked, well some what on the no till planter. As a good planter just not for no tilling.
 
(quoted from post at 17:23:22 05/19/19) we were discussing farm equipment and the question came up name a piece of equipment that deere made better and ahead of others-----we couldn't come up with a one plow no oliver got em ----corn planter nope kinze ---disk nope white and ih----disk mower no way try to fix one 20 years behind times----grinder mixer nope bearcat had em---mowing machine compare a deere 5-8-9 to a ford 501 it aint close---vee rake nope at least 3 companies better-----round balers nah Vermeer got em by years---if I didn't sell parts and work on em it ight be different but deere has some of the craziest ideas I have ever seen and it goes on square balers nh got em---elevators---ni all the way---bushog at least companies better and the list goes on and on and on

Deere didn t necessarily make hands-down "the best" of any particular implement. What they did was make generally above average equipment. What they didn t want to build themselves, they bought from other manufacturers and stick their sticker on it.

They made good, comfortable to operate tractors when other manufacturers had the attitude of "the farmer will buy it because we build it". They made very good planters starting with the 7000, very good small square balers starting with the 336, very good round balers starting with the seven series, very good combines all along, average to above average plows, good disks, very good choppers, decent bar rakes, unbeatable no-till drills. Etc

As with any manufacturer, they also had some black eyes. The 100 square baler was a mistake and they never really made a good mower/conditioner until they went to disc. They made several model disks not worth owning. A few of their tractor models were duds. But generally, if a person had a full line of John Deere equipment all along, they d have a generally have a pretty reliable line.

I laughed when you tried to claim bearcat had the best mill.... Gehl had that title until they decided to end their farm equipment division.
 
Roto Balers were good reliable machines that cost very little to keep going.Right now I'd much rather handle those small round bales than square ones.Even back in the 1950's a lot of people said AC needed to make a Roto Baler that would bale a 500 lb so the tractors of the day could handle them.Big lost opportunity there.
 
It seems that I read somewhere that J I Case sold their corn head design to john deere. Anybody else hear this? Maybe the 444 series.
 

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