JD B and square baler?

Eboor1995

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Is a 43 JD B (20-25hp) capable of baling hay with small square baler on flat ground and no hayrack with overrunning pto adapter?
If so what would be a good baler 14T or 24T?

Thanks
 
B will be fine in light to medium hay.Any of the small capacity balers will be acceptable. You don't need an ORC,as the baler already has one mounted to the flywheel.A neighbor when I was a kid baled a lot of hay with a B and NH 269 baler.My brother once pulled his JD 336 with an 8N ford when his Farmall 560 went down.I,ve also baled with an H farmall too.
 
No problem. We baled with 50 JD. for years on a 24t. Pulled two loaded wagons behind it on flat field. When wagons got full we unhooked baler in field, pulled wagons home and unloaded then went back to field for 2 more. Balers have there own overriding clutch. No need for adapter. We baled lots of bales with an H Farmall. No live pto.
 
Yes and no . It depends how heavy your windrows are. I have baled heavy windrows with a good Farmall M and it made it snort.
 
We baled with an A and that was about as low on the scale dad cared to go..we had a B as well but it was never hooked to the baler.
 
As others have said, it should work OK in light windrows- so just make sure you rake in such a way as to keep them light- may not be able to take a full swath in heavy hay.
 
Our Baler was a IHC 46 with thrower so had to pull wagons. Before that. a NH 66 baler and the only time Dad never pulled a wagon was when the person he was baling for did not have the bed fastened down and on first stack on back the bed came up off the front and dumped everything on ground. I now own that wagon but that time was mid 60's. The NH had its own engine but the IHC was pto powered. That said the 49 B JD handled the baler better than either the 50 AR JD or the 51 A JD so larger is not nessarly better. When we went to the IHC baler Dad wanted the JD 14T baler but could not find one. After finding out more about the JD balers I was very glad he did not find that 14T and we got the IHC 46 baler, That was in about 76-77 so they were fairly new balers at that time. I would go for a New Holland baler over either of the Deere balers. I think your tractor would have the slow speed tranny so should work like was said lighter hay and smaller winrows. Now the 46 B I had was equiped with the high speed tranny, same engine as the 43, and it would have been to fast to bale with a PTO baler. But you might have problems getting it hooked up as the baler would be made for a 1 3/8" PTO shaft and I don't think the Deere had that 1 3/8" shaft until 45, my 46 did but in 43 I think the B still had a 1 1/8" pto shaft. We tried the extended adapter on a combine behind a 38 A JD and due to length of adapter it would not work. Ended up having to use the sleve PTO adapter but they liked to break and I don't know if even avaible now. But if you do try it bolt that swinging drawbar sollid and in long position. If not bolted solid will shake the tractor to pieces. Newer tractors with newer style drawbal and heavier tractor did not have that that problem.
 
To start make your windrows smaller and even. What you don't need is big clumps.
You have plenty of tractor.
 
As others said light windrows and flatter ground. You do not have the advantage the late b's had of a very low creeper gear.
 
As Delta already pointed out you will not need an ORC on your PTO shaft as every baler of that era had one already built in to the baler.

I believe it was the JD 14T manual that went so far as to say a JD 40 was suitable as a minimum tractor to run the baler. Your B is way more tractor than a little JD M or JD 40. What you do not have is live PTO or an ultra slow first gear since your B is an early model.

An idiot on the hay rake will make for a long day trying to bale with non-live PTO. A raker who takes the care to size the windrows to a size your tractor's small hp and additionally to a gear that is available on your tractor (likely first gear) will go a long ways towards your happy success from a guy who has square baled many years with non-live PTO tractors (Farmall H, Farmall M, or even my little Kubota L285 none of which have live PTO).

I would take condition over model but a 14T or a 24T is what I would put behind a B.
 
Thanks for everyone?s answers! What was the ultra slow
transmission my tractor has 6 gears and I know they also
made a 4 gear transmission
 
When the B sometime around 1947 gained the single stick tranny then it still with only 6 gears but first was much slower and reverse got a little slower too. 2nd gear on the single stick tranny is like 1 gear on the tractors with the 2 stick hi lo 6 speeds. The model A got the single stick tranny in 1950.

Just size your windrows to the gear your have first gear on your B at with throttle set at 540 PTO rpm will be real similar to a Farmall h or Farmall M in 1st gear. In heavy hay this will mean taking less than a full size swath to make the final windrow before baling.
 
The 4 gear or 4 speed was for tractors that came out on steel wheels as they could not handle the speed of the higher gears.
 
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Take a look at the [b:654c4848f0]GEAR SHIFT[/b:654c4848f0] diagram below.

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Note the gear shift cover (Key 22) installed on styled tractors (6000-9599) 1939 and 1940.

Take a look at the gear shift cover on "Uncle Earl" our 1939 Model B.

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As I best remember it, on a B that old, it was just like our 37 A. It had 4 gears, but then you had the overdrive lever, that gave you 3 more forward. I had a 50 B for a time, and ofcourse it didnt have the overdrive lever.
 

Even in a heavy windrow a baler takes very little power. In a pinch I have baled with 20 HP. The normal operation of the flywheel will make it sound like it is taking a lot of power but it is simply because there is nearly no power being used between plunger compression strokes, so it is very on and off.
 

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