Horsedrawn Hay Rake Identification

masseypat

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Morning all, Hopefully the link works....not so great at technology. Looking to see if anybody can tell me the maker of the horse drawn rake in the first picture. I found 3 of them on the side of a field nearby. Couple have steel wheels and one been converted or is a later model with rubber wheels. Its the main beam I am going to guess makes them stand out as different than others I've seen. Any help would be appreciated as I contemplate purchasing them.

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Cant help much but take a wire brush and look at the castings for various marks like IHC, JD and so on.
 
The one in the picture is a New Idea 3 bar, no model number built 1935? to 1947. I would have to get out my books to get exact year. The 4 bar was a No. 4 built 48 up until it bacame a No. 44 to end of production. New Idea never put that rake out on high rubber but after market wheels were avaible to do that. They made a low wheel version in 50's that was on rubber and No. 45 or 47. A lot of parts I can get easily but some are not avaible. The No. 4 is the most desireable rake of all times and sell for very good money. Jocky I work with and locate and buy rakes for sells the No. 4 in just average working condition for around $900. But I am in Amish country. I have gotten top quality NO. 4 for as low as $200 but more in range of $450 out of Amish area. The 3 bar had an over the bar tooth that you had to completely dissamble rake to replace a busted tooth. Then they came out with a just bolt on replacement for that but you had to be able to cut the old tooth to get it off. Then all the No4, No 44, No45 and No 47 used a plain easy to change tooth that I forger if $2.25 or $2.75 for Havent bought any new teeth as what I have had to use as parts rakes provided enough for the rebuilt ones. I guess I have handled at least 20 or more of the No. 4 rakes along with some 3 bar and some on low rubber. I am guessing That I have handled at least 75 rakes in NI, JD, IHC, MH, MM, Case and that is in last 20 years.. I have converted the 3 bar to a 4 bar when I could get an extra real and converted the 45 low rubber to a high steel wheel. Main frame is same on all steel wheel models fron first to last. New Idea bought out the Sandwich Company and Made the Sandwich-New Idea rakes for a few years that was a 3 bar but slightly different design. The 44 & 47 had a cast holder for rear wheels where the 4 & 45 had presed steel, the 3 bar had a different cast holder but all are interchangeable. The steel wheel models were all open gear with a reverse gear for tedding, the low wheel models had enclosed gears but still had the ted feature but were made more for tractor speeds. The tag for steel wheel models will ne on angle iron that holds the iner end of gear. It will give a lot number that I can tell yer from and later ones had serial number that earlier ones did not have. I am close to being able to rebuild them in my sleep. Too much information? And they were built at Coldwater Ohio just a few miles from me.
 
Did you look close at the one with rubber tires and see if it actually had rims and tubes? Uncle Earl cut some old tractor tires and bolted them over the steel wheels on his.
 

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