Round baler question

jr1983 · Jan 16, 2019

Is there a round baler out there that could be reasonably operated without live pto? I don't know much on the subject but I'd like to get one I could run on my UTU. If it's not practical or possible I will start planning a different route.

rrlund · Jan 16, 2019

Anything's possible. Had a neighbor who ran a little AC roto baler with a John Deere A. Is it an ideal situation? No way,but it's possible. You'd have to stop,put the tractor in neutral while you put the twine on,eject the bale then shift back in to gear,but it could be done. Biggest thing is,you usually need to be moving when you start the twine on the bale and depending on the baler,the tines that hold the hay down on the pickup can get in the way if the twine arm coming down if you try to start it at normal operating ground speed with a full windrow going in.

ptfarmer · Jan 16, 2019

Not enough power to run one unless you want to make small bales, along with the other reasons rrlund stated.

old · Jan 16, 2019

Most big round balers need 40-50 plus HP to be able to be used. Yes A/C did make the small round baler which is a pain in the back sides to run and was made to be able to be pulled by a B or C. I used one of those rotorbalers years ago and for only one summer and got rid of it as fast as I could

Leroy · Jan 16, 2019

I believe Old uses either an Oliver 77 or 88 on his. The Moline would be same size as the 88 Oliver and it is possible to have a live PTO on that Moline or you could put it on if you would find a parted out UB with the Live PTO on it. Mine was that way with that Live unit when I got it. But for some reason with that disk brake from the UB you cannot put enough pressure on it to hold. The MM has a very high drawbar tho and would it be too high for the baler pickup to drop far enough to hit the ground. On the old New Holland 66 baler it would not hit the ground enough to bale with, was going to put the Minnie on to bale and when we went to put pickup down had to unhook and put the Deere on the baler. Mine was a single block Minnie.

old · Jan 16, 2019

I pull a New Holland 850 big round baler behind my Oliver Super 88 which is rated at around 55HP. It is as per the manual for the NH850 the lowest HP that can be used. The Oliver 77 does not have any where near the HP needed to pull that NH850

Leroy · Jan 16, 2019

My U put out 55 on the dyno.

Bret4207 · Jan 17, 2019

(quoted from post at 13:23:26 01/16/19) Is there a round baler out there that could be reasonably operated without live pto? I don't know much on the subject but I'd like to get one I could run on my UTU. If it's not practical or possible I will start planning a different route.

Yes, there are several folks near me that have run Hesstons little 530 type round balers with non-live PTO, low powered (35ish hp) tractors. I've run my 5x5 Hesston with an 800 Ford with no live pto. You have to be quick on the clutch and getting it into neutral sometimes. It can be done. I've also run the same 5x5 baler with a 30HP Cockshutt that does have live PTO. You just have to expect to make smaller bales.

JMS/.MN · Jan 17, 2019

Dad bought the AC Roto-Baler in 1948, had only one tractor then, a WC. Didn"t get live power until 1956, when he bought a WD45. WC did have the traction release lever, which could be flipped down quickly with the clutch pushed in just a bit. That stopped forward motion, but everything had to come to a complete stop to re-engage.

rrlund · Jan 17, 2019

Can you imagine doing that with a JD hand clutch every time?

Traditional Farmer · Jan 17, 2019

My dad baled for about 10 years with an AC Roto Baler hooked to an AC B tractor,he was something to watch holding the hand brakes and putting the tractor in gear with his knee.
Was a BIG step up when he bought the WD45.Like you said gotta work with what you have to work with.

paul · Jan 17, 2019

A small one I think it could be done, but man without live pto that would not be a fun day ay all......

Paul

JMS/.MN · Jan 18, 2019

That would be worse, cuz you couldn"t disengage as fast.

Texasmark1 · Jan 19, 2019

I run old JD balers and once I start baling, I keep the roller rolling the entire time.....helps to clear the chaff from the exited roll. Live or Ind. PT0 wouldn't be necessary if you could put up with some inconvenience during the dumping and restarting the next roll part of the process where it's easier to stop to dump the bale (PTO running on those equipped) and getting into the starting process for the next roll.

jr1983 · Jan 19, 2019

Im thinking I've got 50 hp easily. I'm
not wanting large bales. I love the idea
of a footballer for my wd45 for show
purposes. I'd rather use a synth than
have to count on one in the field. This
isn't looking like a good long term plan.
If I can find a small enough baler I may
try my luck with my UTU for a year or
two. It sounds like it would be tolerable
for 20 acres. It also sounds like I will
need a different machine if I keep at
this or get any more ground.

Bret4207 · Jan 20, 2019

If you don't make huge windrows and go along at a speed that matches the hay/baler then you really don't need live pto all that much, at least in my experience. The only time it made a real difference for me using the non-live PTO 800 was when I had to come to a stop to tie, but if I was quick on the clutch getting it into neutral it was never a big deal.

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