New Holland 492

Daniel waldner · Dec 28, 2018

Thinking about buying a haybine vs discbine and wondering if haybines have a hydraulic tongue? I'm interested in models 492, 1465. I'v seen some with it and wondering how common it is.
Thanks

showcrop · Dec 28, 2018

Even if it doesn't come with it, it wouldn't be a big deal to add it.

Bill VA · Dec 28, 2018

I should think one could add the hydraulic tongue??? Perhaps the New Holland parts list would show the arrangement?

Curious - why do you want a haybine over a discbine?

Daniel waldner · Dec 28, 2018

The reason I was looking at a haybine was my tractor is only 60hp andI have only about 20 acres and I did not want to spend over 3k for a mower and for that budget it's hard to find a nice discbine. Although if i find a decent discbine in my price range i will buy it.

rrlund · Dec 28, 2018

With 20 acres,why do you need a hydraulic tongue? They had a pin with a rope. Pull the rope and back up,the tongue swings over.

Daniel waldner · Dec 28, 2018

The reason I want a hydraulic tongue so you don't have to drive just perfect when mowing.

showcrop · Dec 28, 2018

(quoted from post at 13:58:22 12/28/18) The reason I want a hydraulic tongue so you don't have to drive just perfect when mowing.

I take this to mean that you believe that you can "steer" the mower independently of the tractor with the hydraulic tongue. Well, although it is possible, it is highly unlikely that this would work for you. I once had a mower with an hydraulic tongue cylinder that was nearly four feet long. I would use this sometimes to help steer the mower to turn more tightly on the headlands, but the response is nowhere quick enough to take the place of steering as you go around the field. You don't need to worry about "driving perfectly" except where you have fields close to the road. I have posted here a few times about the need to observe safe mowing procedure by leaving a "holiday" close to the road when mowing. Leaving one intentionally near the road makes it easy for the "mowing police" to see your holiday at a glance as they drive by so that their eyes stay on the road instead of desperately trying to scan over the whole field looking for one as they drive by. This makes it possible for them to report back to the coffee shop about your mowing proficiency without endangering others on the road. Mow safely! Leave a "holiday"!

Daniel waldner · Dec 28, 2018

Will it plug the mower if you overlap slightly into previously mowed areas?

showcrop · Dec 28, 2018

(quoted from post at 16:29:54 12/28/18) Will it plug the mower if you overlap slightly into previously mowed areas?

Not likely. I never mowed with one of those, but I used to have an international 990, and I got it plugged just one time when I circled back and over a cut swath with the head up. Most guys mow into a 4 ft wide swath so you have plenty of space on each side of it. If your ground is dry so that you can spread it wide you still will not have any problems if you do have a little drawn in.

Daniel waldner · Dec 28, 2018

What would you recommend for a smaller discbine?

riveroadrat · Dec 29, 2018

I have one with the hydraulic swing, it works good when you want to swing it out or in a little and going through gates. Good guards and underserrated chromium blades work best. I would get an operators manual as you might want to fine tune the mechanics. I've never run a discbine but really haven't needed to. You didn't say what type of grass your field is.

showcrop · Dec 29, 2018

(quoted from post at 21:05:32 12/28/18) What would you recommend for a smaller discbine?

How many HP do you have? The smallest that I know of are 7 feet Shetland Sheep Dog here on YT mows with one, but that is the only seven footer that I know of. 9 and 10s are very common. You can make them work with 65 HP but you wouldn't want to pull it up a hill. A discbdne is a totally different world from a sickle bar machine. Nobody would ever go back. Life is too short for most of us.

Bret4207 · Dec 29, 2018

(quoted from post at 20:29:54 12/28/18) Will it plug the mower if you overlap slightly into previously mowed areas?

No, it won't. You aren't going to steer the haybine with the tongue. You'll get the hang of driving where you need to be in about 2 minutes. It isn't rocket science. And if you do run onto already mown hay, the reel will pick it up and trow it through the rolls again. No big deal at all.

SHALER · Dec 29, 2018

Daniel, you will find lots of good input here with your mower questions. My 2 cents after reading your posts:
1. Your $3K budget and a haybine: Thats good, many posters dont specify that and therefore get responses that dont work for them. You should be able to pick up a
decent 492 or 1465 for about that $$. Most likely from a guy moving up to discbine. Im not 100% sure why, but I believe the 1465 was regarded as the better machine,
in the event you run across 2 similar machines.
2. Your $3k budget and a discbine: You could find a discbine for that money, however unless you really get lucky, a discbine for that amount will be pretty used up.
THAT SAID, if you enjoy working on machinery etc you may want to roll the dice, especially since you are only doing 20 acres per year and therefore not putting a lot of
hours on it. I beleive something in the 8 foot range would be ok for your 60 hp tractor. If you dont want something used up, consider #3-
3. Another option not mentioned is a disc mower. Again, should be able to one with a decent amount of acres left on it for $3K in the 8 foot range. the 60 hp tractor
would handle that too. These have no conditioning provision and you will need a tedder for sure if you live in an area with any humidity.
Lastly, if you get a haybine, the hydraulic tongue is a nice luxury to have, but by no means a necessity. I would not place it high on your decision making priority.

Daniel waldner · Dec 29, 2018

I don't have any large hills to mow so I think i will try to find a new idea 5209 or something like that. I would prefer a discbine but I don't want a money pit :x

Daniel waldner · Dec 29, 2018

Do you know of any other smaller 9' discbines that are cheaper and easier to run?

rrlund · Dec 29, 2018

Hesston 1120 or CaseIH 8330. They were the same machine basically,just different paint and decals,although the rolls might differ. Great machine either way,although I prefer the Hesston rolls.

Bret4207 · Dec 29, 2018

(quoted from post at 15:12:53 12/29/18) Do you know of any other smaller 9' discbines that are cheaper and easier to run?

60hp is on the low end to run most discbines you're likely to find in the $3K area. That price range is going to put you in the older, worn machine category. There are some newer discbines in the 8-9 foot range that neighbors tell me they run with 55-65 hp. Never done it myself and the machines are in the $15k area price-wise. Disc mowers are less expensive and might be an option.

Haybines are much easier to run with the lower power you're talking. A drum mower is another option.

Local guy had a 492 he had to rebuild the wobble box on. It wasn't cheap, like on a 488. Might be a good idea to see and hear it run before you buy. Personally I like the Hesston system a lot better than the New Holland as far as knife drive and the Hesston rollers are tougher by far.

Heat Houser · Dec 29, 2018

I use a New Holland 492 and pull it with my IH560. Horsepower isn't the issue with a haybine but rather weight of the tractor. Side draft is the problem. The key is to have the tractor properly ballasted to minimize the jerking around.

Daniel waldner · Dec 29, 2018

If I would go with a haybine would you recommend regular rock guards or snub guards?

Bret4207 · Dec 30, 2018

If you cut finer grasses or lots of 2nd and 3rd cut or on ground that tends to remain damp even in haying weather (clay, lots of shady areas) and tend to leave a high aftermath then stubs make sense. If you have a lot of rocks/stones, tend to cut more mature hay, want to cut it close to the ground then regular guards work fine. Either way the knife has to be sharp, the guards aligned and in good shape and the hold downs properly set.

Daniel waldner · Dec 30, 2018

What type of serrated knifes would you use for grass hay?

Daniel waldner · Dec 30, 2018

Also what's the best way to check for wear in the wobble box when it's at a auction and you cannot run it?

Bret4207 · Dec 31, 2018

(quoted from post at 19:20:28 12/30/18) Also what's the best way to check for wear in the wobble box when it's at a auction and you cannot run it?

Reach down, grab ahold of the parts and try moving them. Many times you can grab the reel and get the wobble box to move. You can see extra play an sometimes hear bad bearings.

tjiniowa · Jan 15, 2019

I have a 492 with brand new rolls for sale. Located in NE Iowa if you are interested.

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