IH No. 15 Side Delivery Hay Rake

eye4iron

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I need to tow this rake about 15 miles down the black top hwy. I am going to use my truck. Should I remove the chain from the rear wheel to the gear box? Or just put the gear box in neutral?
 
If it is anything like it 2 IH rakes I have had I would not pull it so much as a mile behind a truck. They have not axle bearing there just a greased bushing and going faster then tractor speeds will heat them up and may cause them to eat the axle or even lock up. I'd pick it up and set it in the bed of the truck or get a trailer
 
Good advice. I?ll check the wheel hubs to see if they have wheel bearings or not.
If it does have wheel bearings I guess I?ll just remove the chain to be safe.
 
On all the IH rakes I have seen they have a straight axle shaft going to both wheels and that shaft sits in bushing wit ha grease zirk NO bearings and on those if one pulls it you will damage it. NEVER yet seen one with true bearings at the wheels
 
Best to haul it. However if you absolutely have to pull it,remove the chain.grease the bearings and don't exceed 20MPH. 15 is better.As was said,no bearings,just bushings.
 
Is it like this
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grease it and go. our old rake like that we drug half way around the world every year until the neighbor took the drive shaft off it and never brought it back rake sat a long time after that and finally went to scrap wish I still had it .
 
Thing is dragging one around the world at under 15MPH and dragging one 30 miles at say 30MPH are 2 different things. I learned that the hard way and have since learned to warn people that speed can cost you big $$$$. Like the JD-14T I got and pulled home behind a truck. Got 7 miles from home and lost a wheel due to bearings not being greased as they should have. On these hay rakes there are no bearings just bushings and grease in not enough at over 15MPH
 
(quoted from post at 22:22:05 12/23/18) Thing is dragging one around the world at under 15MPH and dragging one 30 miles at say 30MPH are 2 different things. I learned that the hard way and have since learned to warn people that speed can cost you big $$$$. Like the JD-14T I got and pulled home behind a truck. Got 7 miles from home and lost a wheel due to bearings not being greased as they should have. On these hay rakes there are no bearings just bushings and grease in not enough at over 15MPH

Old, maybe it wasn't so much the speed as trying to do it with a dry bearing. I have towed implements over a hundred miles with no problems. All it takes is preparation. The lessoned that should perhaps have been learned is the need for maintenance.
 
I have one of those - I regularly tow it 20 miles one way.

Keep it greased, and keep it under 20mph.

Those are supposed to be greased every 25 miles of travel / field or road. A pretty standard rule of thumb for bushed axles in general.
 
In the case of the hay baler yes it was a lack of grease problem but on these rakes there is no bearing so pulling one at say 30 MPH will cause them to heat up and then you have major problems
 
always remove the chain or driveshaft on any unit. if it happens to jump into gear everything will smash that is total BULL that u cant pull equipment with out brgs in the wheels. i have pulled grain augers with just the axle type going through a pipe. pulled one at 40 mph for over sixty miles. the trick was to stop and grease the axles every ten miles. and no they did not get hot.
 
well just how do thing equipment got delivered to the farmer when new, if not being pulled behind the dealers truck. they were pulled a lot faster than 15 mph . not greasing wheel brgs. is lack of maintenance so they are bound to fail without grease. that 14t has tymkin brgs. so can go pretty much the speed limit and not hurt the brg.
 
NEVER yet seen one pulled behind a truck from a dealer. Every dealer that I have seen deliver any thing like that it came on a flat bed truck with a tilt bed.
 
well maybe u haven't , but i have yet to see a baler or rake or other towable equipment loaded to deliver a reasonable distance. even the big air seeders are towed.
 
Well I have not and NO dealer in my area will tow a baler or rake or other such machine down the road EVER. Been dealing with them for 38 plus years now and it is simply NEVER done be it 10 miles or 50 mile always on a truck
 
Grease it before you leave and half way thru. Remove the drive chain and keep the speed around 15 mph. It is not rocket science.
 
(quoted from post at 10:17:20 12/24/18) NEVER yet seen one pulled behind a truck from a dealer. Every dealer that I have seen deliver any thing like that it came on a flat bed truck with a tilt bed.

A side delivery rake is basically too wide to fit on a flatbed truck, which makes it over-width and illegal. Hook that same rake behind a pickup truck and it is legal everywhere except interstate highways. Pretty much ALL farm implements are delivered to the dealer un-assembled, in crates. The dealer puts it all together, hitches it behind a pickup truck, and delivers it the customer.
 
I have one and all ways take the chain off.Had the cable break and broke the drive shaft least didn't wreak the gear box.
 
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(quoted from post at 10:17:20 12/24/18) NEVER yet seen one pulled behind a truck from a dealer. Every dealer that I have seen deliver any thing like that it came on a flat bed truck with a tilt bed.

A side delivery rake is basically too wide to fit on a flatbed truck, which makes it over-width and illegal. Hook that same rake behind a pickup truck and it is legal everywhere except interstate highways. Pretty much ALL farm implements are delivered to the dealer un-assembled, in crates. The dealer puts it all together, hitches it behind a pickup truck, and delivers it the customer.

Rusty Farmall that's the way its works here too.
 
One thing to remember the ytdot wasn?t formed
when these rakes were new and there I?d such a
thing as an overwidth permit
 
(quoted from post at 16:55:58 12/24/18) Grease it before you leave and half way thru. Remove the drive chain and keep the speed around 15 mph. It is not rocket science.

As mentioned here several times, just keep the speed down. You wouldn't think twice about pulling it down the road with a tractor. So just keep your pickup at tractor speed and you will be fine.
 
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(quoted from post at 16:55:58 12/24/18) Grease it before you leave and half way thru. Remove the drive chain and keep the speed around 15 mph. It is not rocket science.

As mentioned here several times, just keep the speed down. You wouldn't think twice about pulling it down the road with a tractor. So just keep your pickup at tractor speed and you will be fine.

I have pulled a baler and two mower conditioners for way over 100 miles. The two mowers were over width so I got over width load permits from the state of NH. When discussing the route with the lady, and expressing my concern about some tight places she informed me that they wanted me on the interstate. I know that these mowers have bearings and not bushings, but this still points out the difference between YTDOT and official DOT rules. For those who question it, yes the official DOT rules take precedence over YTDOT.
 
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(quoted from post at 20:56:34 12/25/18)
(quoted from post at 16:55:58 12/24/18) Grease it before you leave and half way thru. Remove the drive chain and keep the speed around 15 mph. It is not rocket science.

As mentioned here several times, just keep the speed down. You wouldn't think twice about pulling it down the road with a tractor. So just keep your pickup at tractor speed and you will be fine.

I have pulled a baler and two mower conditioners for way over 100 miles. The two mowers were over width so I got over width load permits from the state of NH. When discussing the route with the lady, and expressing my concern about some tight places she informed me that they wanted me on the interstate. I know that these mowers have bearings and not bushings, but this still points out the difference between YTDOT and official DOT rules. For those who question it, yes the official DOT rules take precedence over YTDOT.

I question the information from the official DOT. Minimum speed on an interstate highway is 40 mph. Unless that interstate highway is super smooth, 20 mph is about as fast as I would want. Anything faster than 20 will have the machine bouncing like a basketball.
 
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(quoted from post at 20:56:34 12/25/18)
(quoted from post at 16:55:58 12/24/18) Grease it before you leave and half way thru. Remove the drive chain and keep the speed around 15 mph. It is not rocket science.

As mentioned here several times, just keep the speed down. You wouldn't think twice about pulling it down the road with a tractor. So just keep your pickup at tractor speed and you will be fine.

I have pulled a baler and two mower conditioners for way over 100 miles. The two mowers were over width so I got over width load permits from the state of NH. When discussing the route with the lady, and expressing my concern about some tight places she informed me that they wanted me on the interstate. I know that these mowers have bearings and not bushings, but this still points out the difference between YTDOT and official DOT rules. For those who question it, yes the official DOT rules take precedence over YTDOT.

I question the information from the official DOT. Minimum speed on an interstate highway is 40 mph. Unless that interstate highway is super smooth, 20 mph is about as fast as I would want. Anything faster than 20 will have the machine bouncing like a basketball.

Rusty, I understand that from a YTDOT standpoint that you would question if the DOT lady knew what she was talking about, but you have to remember that while YTDOT rules consist of member's, opinions, views and experiences, the official DOT is going by laws passed by the federal gov't. which are then adopted by the states. It has been awhile but my recollection was that I kept them both under sixty. My truck had mirrors so I could see it, and I am sure that I would have felt if it was bouncing. I remember that on one of those trips a state cop passed me and he didn't appear to even look. At the entrance to the interstates here they have signs telling you what is restricted and it includes farm implements. I assume that my wide load sign legally converted my mowers to just any old wheeled over-width trailer. Had the cop stopped me he would of course have checked my permit to see that I was legal. I can certainly understand myself that provided I observed all laws that the other drivers on the road were safer sharing the interstate with me than the secondary roads.
 
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(quoted from post at 20:56:34 12/25/18)
(quoted from post at 16:55:58 12/24/18) Grease it before you leave and half way thru. Remove the drive chain and keep the speed around 15 mph. It is not rocket science.

As mentioned here several times, just keep the speed down. You wouldn't think twice about pulling it down the road with a tractor. So just keep your pickup at tractor speed and you will be fine.

I have pulled a baler and two mower conditioners for way over 100 miles. The two mowers were over width so I got over width load permits from the state of NH. When discussing the route with the lady, and expressing my concern about some tight places she informed me that they wanted me on the interstate. I know that these mowers have bearings and not bushings, but this still points out the difference between YTDOT and official DOT rules. For those who question it, yes the official DOT rules take precedence over YTDOT.

I question the information from the official DOT. Minimum speed on an interstate highway is 40 mph. Unless that interstate highway is super smooth, 20 mph is about as fast as I would want. Anything faster than 20 will have the machine bouncing like a basketball.

Rusty, I understand that from a YTDOT standpoint that you would question if the DOT lady knew what she was talking about, but you have to remember that while YTDOT rules consist of member's, opinions, views and experiences, the official DOT is going by laws passed by the federal gov't. which are then adopted by the states. It has been awhile but my recollection was that I kept them both under sixty. My truck had mirrors so I could see it, and I am sure that I would have felt if it was bouncing. I remember that on one of those trips a state cop passed me and he didn't appear to even look. At the entrance to the interstates here they have signs telling you what is restricted and it includes farm implements. I assume that my wide load sign legally converted my mowers to just any old wheeled over-width trailer. Had the cop stopped me he would of course have checked my permit to see that I was legal. I can certainly understand myself that provided I observed all laws that the other drivers on the road were safer sharing the interstate with me than the secondary roads.

Sorry, but I am very familiar with the official, state-by state D.O.T. rules. On occasion, the YT-D.O.T. is about 1/2 correct. I also know folks who were stopped by the Iowa D.O.T., their loads inspected, and then given the O.K. to proceed, only to be stopped again a few miles down the road by a different officer who not only wrote them a ticket but also side-lined them until the violation was corrected. Laws of any type are open to interpretation.
 
In this area of Missouri if your pulled over by D.O.T. you stand a 99.999% chance of getting a ticket even if all it is, is a bad light bulb on a side marker or other such stupid thing. I still remember them trying to give me a ticket for not having a seat belt and not having front brakes on my 1963 Diamond-T dump truck. They had to call it in and where told I did not have to have either since the truck never did have them
 
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(quoted from post at 20:56:34 12/25/18)
(quoted from post at 16:55:58 12/24/18) Grease it before you leave and half way thru. Remove the drive chain and keep the speed around 15 mph. It is not rocket science.

As mentioned here several times, just keep the speed down. You wouldn't think twice about pulling it down the road with a tractor. So just keep your pickup at tractor speed and you will be fine.

I have pulled a baler and two mower conditioners for way over 100 miles. The two mowers were over width so I got over width load permits from the state of NH. When discussing the route with the lady, and expressing my concern about some tight places she informed me that they wanted me on the interstate. I know that these mowers have bearings and not bushings, but this still points out the difference between YTDOT and official DOT rules. For those who question it, yes the official DOT rules take precedence over YTDOT.

I question the information from the official DOT. Minimum speed on an interstate highway is 40 mph. Unless that interstate highway is super smooth, 20 mph is about as fast as I would want. Anything faster than 20 will have the machine bouncing like a basketball.

Rusty, I understand that from a YTDOT standpoint that you would question if the DOT lady knew what she was talking about, but you have to remember that while YTDOT rules consist of member's, opinions, views and experiences, the official DOT is going by laws passed by the federal gov't. which are then adopted by the states. It has been awhile but my recollection was that I kept them both under sixty. My truck had mirrors so I could see it, and I am sure that I would have felt if it was bouncing. I remember that on one of those trips a state cop passed me and he didn't appear to even look. At the entrance to the interstates here they have signs telling you what is restricted and it includes farm implements. I assume that my wide load sign legally converted my mowers to just any old wheeled over-width trailer. Had the cop stopped me he would of course have checked my permit to see that I was legal. I can certainly understand myself that provided I observed all laws that the other drivers on the road were safer sharing the interstate with me than the secondary roads.

Sorry, but I am very familiar with the official, state-by state D.O.T. rules. On occasion, the YT-D.O.T. is about 1/2 correct. I also know folks who were stopped by the Iowa D.O.T., their loads inspected, and then given the O.K. to proceed, only to be stopped again a few miles down the road by a different officer who not only wrote them a ticket but also side-lined them until the violation was corrected. Laws of any type are open to interpretation.

Rusty, That is one of the most often referenced YTDOT laws, LOL, LMAO, LOL!!!! When in doubt of any law rather than take the time to look it up at FSCMA, just claim "I know a guy who", or "these laws are open to interpretation", LMAO.
 
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(quoted from post at 05:04:46 12/26/18)
(quoted from post at 20:56:34 12/25/18)
(quoted from post at 16:55:58 12/24/18) Grease it before you leave and half way thru. Remove the drive chain and keep the speed around 15 mph. It is not rocket science.

As mentioned here several times, just keep the speed down. You wouldn't think twice about pulling it down the road with a tractor. So just keep your pickup at tractor speed and you will be fine.

I have pulled a baler and two mower conditioners for way over 100 miles. The two mowers were over width so I got over width load permits from the state of NH. When discussing the route with the lady, and expressing my concern about some tight places she informed me that they wanted me on the interstate. I know that these mowers have bearings and not bushings, but this still points out the difference between YTDOT and official DOT rules. For those who question it, yes the official DOT rules take precedence over YTDOT.

I question the information from the official DOT. Minimum speed on an interstate highway is 40 mph. Unless that interstate highway is super smooth, 20 mph is about as fast as I would want. Anything faster than 20 will have the machine bouncing like a basketball.

Rusty, I understand that from a YTDOT standpoint that you would question if the DOT lady knew what she was talking about, but you have to remember that while YTDOT rules consist of member's, opinions, views and experiences, the official DOT is going by laws passed by the federal gov't. which are then adopted by the states. It has been awhile but my recollection was that I kept them both under sixty. My truck had mirrors so I could see it, and I am sure that I would have felt if it was bouncing. I remember that on one of those trips a state cop passed me and he didn't appear to even look. At the entrance to the interstates here they have signs telling you what is restricted and it includes farm implements. I assume that my wide load sign legally converted my mowers to just any old wheeled over-width trailer. Had the cop stopped me he would of course have checked my permit to see that I was legal. I can certainly understand myself that provided I observed all laws that the other drivers on the road were safer sharing the interstate with me than the secondary roads.

Sorry, but I am very familiar with the official, state-by state D.O.T. rules. On occasion, the YT-D.O.T. is about 1/2 correct. I also know folks who were stopped by the Iowa D.O.T., their loads inspected, and then given the O.K. to proceed, only to be stopped again a few miles down the road by a different officer who not only wrote them a ticket but also side-lined them until the violation was corrected. Laws of any type are open to interpretation.

Rusty, That is one of the most often referenced YTDOT laws, LOL, LMAO, LOL!!!! When in doubt of any law rather than take the time to look it up at FSCMA, just claim "I know a guy who", or "these laws are open to interpretation", LMAO.

Sorry, I cannot supply references, but a very similar story came directly from the horses mouth. We invited an Iowa D.O.T. officer to attend one of our local tractor club meetings. Specifically we all wanted to know proper tie down procedures, etc., etc. The officer related to us a story very similar to what I mentioned, and added that the laws are open to interpretation.
 
I agree with Rusty..laws are interpreted differently by differnt cops I have a good friend that is a sheriff. Also same thing goes for monthly quota. The public has been told that dont exist anymore but it does. Buddy said he still has to hand out so much in "dollars" to make it worth the county (or state or town) to keep "x" amount of cops employed on the payroll. Everything nowadays all boils down to money...everyone knows that.
 
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(quoted from post at 20:56:34 12/25/18)
(quoted from post at 16:55:58 12/24/18) Grease it before you leave and half way thru. Remove the drive chain and keep the speed around 15 mph. It is not rocket science.

As mentioned here several times, just keep the speed down. You wouldn't think twice about pulling it down the road with a tractor. So just keep your pickup at tractor speed and you will be fine.

I have pulled a baler and two mower conditioners for way over 100 miles. The two mowers were over width so I got over width load permits from the state of NH. When discussing the route with the lady, and expressing my concern about some tight places she informed me that they wanted me on the interstate. I know that these mowers have bearings and not bushings, but this still points out the difference between YTDOT and official DOT rules. For those who question it, yes the official DOT rules take precedence over YTDOT.

I question the information from the official DOT. Minimum speed on an interstate highway is 40 mph. Unless that interstate highway is super smooth, 20 mph is about as fast as I would want. Anything faster than 20 will have the machine bouncing like a basketball.

Rusty, I understand that from a YTDOT standpoint that you would question if the DOT lady knew what she was talking about, but you have to remember that while YTDOT rules consist of member's, opinions, views and experiences, the official DOT is going by laws passed by the federal gov't. which are then adopted by the states. It has been awhile but my recollection was that I kept them both under sixty. My truck had mirrors so I could see it, and I am sure that I would have felt if it was bouncing. I remember that on one of those trips a state cop passed me and he didn't appear to even look. At the entrance to the interstates here they have signs telling you what is restricted and it includes farm implements. I assume that my wide load sign legally converted my mowers to just any old wheeled over-width trailer. Had the cop stopped me he would of course have checked my permit to see that I was legal. I can certainly understand myself that provided I observed all laws that the other drivers on the road were safer sharing the interstate with me than the secondary roads.

Sorry, but I am very familiar with the official, state-by state D.O.T. rules. On occasion, the YT-D.O.T. is about 1/2 correct. I also know folks who were stopped by the Iowa D.O.T., their loads inspected, and then given the O.K. to proceed, only to be stopped again a few miles down the road by a different officer who not only wrote them a ticket but also side-lined them until the violation was corrected. Laws of any type are open to interpretation.

Rusty, That is one of the most often referenced YTDOT laws, LOL, LMAO, LOL!!!! When in doubt of any law rather than take the time to look it up at FSCMA, just claim "I know a guy who", or "these laws are open to interpretation", LMAO.

Sorry, I cannot supply references, but a very similar story came directly from the horses mouth. We invited an Iowa D.O.T. officer to attend one of our local tractor club meetings. Specifically we all wanted to know proper tie down procedures, etc., etc. The officer related to us a story very similar to what I mentioned, and added that the laws are open to interpretation.

Well, Rusty, I have to "interpret" what is meant by "open to interpretation." When you hit the road with your load, if you desire to be safe, you need to have your load secured in a safe manor. The Nov 2014 revised FMCSA rules are written to insure that all drivers have the guidance to be able to do that in a manor that is uniformly enforceable. The rules are VERY light on specifics, so the driver has a lot of leeway on how he accomplishes his securement. This allowance of leeway in the regs could probably be judged to be "openness to interpretation." At the end of the day it is up to the driver to be familiar with the FMCSA Nov 2014 rules as enforced by the states, under the auspices of the USDOT, just in case he gets inspected by an officer who expects full compliance instead of "interpreting down" to 70% compliance.
 
you are so full of it...just because not in your area it still is done! humm? so are you going to back your tractor on to the trailer deck to hook onto the piece of equipment when it arrives?
 
We got the ytdot involved we?ve got the ticket quota at the end of the month involved all we need is dirty Lyle the rubber duck and big and little Enis burdette And we?ll have this thing tied up sheesh officer I was just trying to get an old hay rake drug home I didn?t know we needed to rewrite the book of life
 
(quoted from post at 03:43:06 12/30/18) We got the ytdot involved we?ve got the ticket quota at the end of the month involved all we need is dirty Lyle the rubber duck and big and little Enis burdette And we?ll have this thing tied up sheesh officer I was just trying to get an old hay rake drug home I didn?t know we needed to rewrite the book of life

I read it on the internet. They can't put it on the internet if it isn't true.
 
I worked for many years for the local NH dealer we would always pull all are equipment behind a truck to deliver it except tractors,with out any problems.Just grease it good and check it often.
 

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