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460 on a 12 foot haybine?

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classicxl

02-22-2014 09:02:28




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How much HP. on a 12 foot hydraswing haybine, it is hydraulic drive gehl, not sure model number. Want to couple with a farmall 460 gas job. Runs a 9 foot with ease but a guy told me Id want 70 or 80 hp to run his case ih of same size. Im looking at one on cl.




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DVF

02-24-2014 11:02:55




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 Re: 460 on a 12 foot haybine? in reply to classicxl, 02-22-2014 09:02:28  
I think the 460 has the same size hydraulic pump as the 806, that being said, on somewhat flat ground new knives in a pinch I think it would get you through the day. I dont think I would want to run it all the time cutting 100 acres of hay. As others have said, on steep hills control may be a problem depending on the circumstances.



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Erik Ks Farmer

02-24-2014 04:16:51




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 Re: 460 on a 12 foot haybine? in reply to classicxl, 02-22-2014 09:02:28  
I run a 12ft 8360 CIH with an 1105 Massey (100hp), and around 10,000 lbs. We had the heaviest crop in recent memory last year, about 2.5-3ton to the acre of brome hay. It was all my 1105 wanted running 3.5mph. The operators manual on the 8360 calls for a minimum of 80hp. Like others have said, the hydraswing takes more power and more weight to control, no way I'd want to run mine with a 180 Massey at 60 HP.

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Don-Wi

02-23-2014 18:02:24




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 Re: 460 on a 12 foot haybine? in reply to classicxl, 02-22-2014 09:02:28  
For kicks I ran our 14' hydra swing with our Oliver 1600 once and while it did it, and would work if it needed to, I'd rather have our 105 hp 1855 on it instead. If for nothing more than the better control of the machine. Heavy hay will make it snort one in a while.

I also run it with our Massey 285 on a somewhat regular basis and there are times that tractor isn't quite enough to have full control over the machine and I find the rear tires skidding on dry hard soil. It can really make the Massey talk in heavy 1st crop.

Donovan from Wisconsin
This post was edited by Don-Wi at 18:04:03 02/23/14.

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Brendon-KS

02-23-2014 03:39:34




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 Re: 460 on a 12 foot haybine? in reply to classicxl, 02-22-2014 09:02:28  
I've pulled my FIL's 12-ft mechanical drive side-pull mower/conditioner with my 350 and it is slow going in heavy crop. Waist-high oats means first gear, sometimes even TA'ed, and overlapping a couple of feet to keep from lugging down. Granted, a 460 has a few more ponies but the power loss through the hydraulic drive will eat up a big chunk of that difference. Unless you are cutting nothing more than light hay I think you will find it is just a bit too much mower for the tractor.

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sammydwm

02-22-2014 21:52:35




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 Re: 460 on a 12 foot haybine? in reply to classicxl, 02-22-2014 09:02:28  
A 12' hydraswing is very different than a 9' regular haybine. I pulled a 12 footer with a 756 and would have liked a bit more tractor just for the weight. Felt like I didn't have control of things like I wanted.
This post was edited by sammydwm at 02:51:11 02/23/14.



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wolfman

02-22-2014 18:36:50




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 Re: 460 on a 12 foot haybine? in reply to classicxl, 02-22-2014 09:02:28  
Don't underestimate a 460 gas. I ran a 9 ft haybine for years on the steepest hills around s.w pa with a 460, it played with the task.



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RickB

02-22-2014 10:45:10




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 Re: 460 on a 12 foot haybine? in reply to classicxl, 02-22-2014 09:02:28  
You will want more power and more tractor weight.



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NY 986

02-22-2014 10:00:00




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 Re: 460 on a 12 foot haybine? in reply to classicxl, 02-22-2014 09:02:28  
I would say the 460 is very minimal in power and hydraulics for that. Especially in 3 ton alfalfa/ grass per acre mix. Either find a different tractor for the m-c or different m-c for the 460. I always wanted 50 plus horsepower on a 9 foot m-c in heavy hay here.



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DeltaRed

02-22-2014 09:40:04




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 Re: 460 on a 12 foot haybine? in reply to classicxl, 02-22-2014 09:02:28  
It should pullit fine on flat/level ground but may struggle on hills'In real heavy hay you may need to use 2nd gear instead of third.Should be fine on a 12' machine.The next thing to consider is wheather or not you have enough hydralic capacity(pressure) to properly raise/swing a hydroswing.A 460/560 is borderline.We pulled a 14' with a 560 for years.



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Zachary Hoyt

02-22-2014 09:37:14




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 Re: 460 on a 12 foot haybine? in reply to classicxl, 02-22-2014 09:02:28  
I used to run a 9' with an H, now with a 300. Pretty light grass hay here in most fields with moderate to steep slopes. If you have alfalfa or even heavy grass I would think it would take more power but I have never been in that situation.
Zach



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