Choices on a planter

Russell Moore · Mar 17, 2012

I am looking to buy a 4 row corn planter
looking at a john deere 7000 and a international 800 cyclo
what would be the best planter both have dry fert. boxes
the whole air thing on the international worrys me a little
any information or thoughts are welcome

paul · Mar 18, 2012

There are many people that like the 800 or newer International. They seem to be fine planters, will get your crop planted just fine.

Given that the 7000 isn't totally worn out, I'd take the JD 7000 every time. But, that's just me, no right or wrong answer.

Locally, every farmer was pulling a JD 494 through JD 7200 planter around here. It took until the CaseIH 1200 before the Red planters became popular locally.

Growing up looking at the nirghbors, I thought the only way to plant corn was with a IH 966 and a JD 7000 planter - didn't see much else.

--->Paul

Anonymous-0 · Mar 18, 2012

I'd say toss up, nothing scary about the 800 air planter, and alot
less yearly maintenance to keep it in top shape. Boils down to
nearest/best dealer.

Brendon-KS · Mar 18, 2012

There are folks on both sides of the fence here. My FIL thinks that the IH Cyclo was the best planter ever made and others feel the same way about the Deere 7X00 line. Some of the nice features of the Cyclo are a single seed hopper and easy crop changeover. However, the Deere probably has better spacing accuracy. The 7000 was available with plate or finger pickup meters; here in milo country the plate version is about all you see. I think the vacuum meter system came later with the 7200. The Cyclo air system is actually quite simple and reliable but does add an additional hydraulic system into the picture. In short you probably can't go wrong with either provided the machine isn't completely worn out.

Anonymous-0 · Mar 18, 2012

I've had and used both. I prefer the IH over the Deere. Had a 7000 for a # of year's and then bought an 800. Wished I had gotten the 800 sooner. Simple to operate, one seed hopper. Air part is no problem at all, really easy to operate. The 800 makes a good no-till planter, even with out no-till cutters with right soil condition. My preference is the IH, but you cannot go wrong with either planter

Anonymous-0 · Mar 18, 2012

Availability of OEM and aftermarket parts to tailor set-up to personal needs is FAR greater with the Deere planters.

Availability of information regarding use and maintenance is far greater with the Deere planter due to more people using them.

All that aside, both are great planters. The tie breaker (with me anyway) is those 2 reasons stated above.

Russell Moore · Mar 18, 2012

My tractor only has one set of hydralic lines would I still be able to use either planter

Brendon-KS · Mar 18, 2012

The Cyclo air system runs off a PTO driven pump and so this doesn't consume a second set of remotes. Your single set of remotes should be fine with either planter as long as the markers are tied in with the lift system and not on a separate circuit.

Anonymous-0 · Mar 18, 2012

One other thought on the IH planter. The Hydraulic pumps came in 540 and 1000 rpm's. Might be something to watch out for depending on whether your tractor has both shafts or not.

Russell Moore · Mar 18, 2012

My tractor only has the 540 shaft so thanks for that tip
I plan on pulling the planter with a 50hp Case IH we pull no till drills with it so i think it should pull it just fine
the JD planter is a little cheaper than the IH but I havent looked them over good yet
I know the IH comes with a monitor not sure about the JD
is the monitor that important

NY 986 · Mar 18, 2012

The simplicity of the 800 is nice. Issues with the Cyclo include rocky soil specifically any jarring of the planter seed tubes or frame distort the distribution of the seed from the manifold to the seed boot. Also, the closing wheel system is much nicer on the 7000 versus the 800. A little more forgiving on moist soils with compaction issues on the closing system with the Deere. I think the fertilizer openers on the Deere are better. Air loss issues can arise with the IH as the drum seal rubs on the central seed hopper. The drum can warp over time again leading to sealing issues. Disadvantage with the Deere is the finger pick-ups require periodic service with parts replacement. However, once serviced and with proper seed lubrication they should not need attention for a while. If the Deere is an an environment with widely varying temperatures then the finger pick-up units should be brought in to an area with consistent temperatures to minimize stress on the seed belt.

NY 986 · Mar 18, 2012

When I said the finger units should be brought in I meant at the end of the season. No implication was meant as far as at the end of each day during planting.

Russell Moore · Mar 18, 2012

do all the JD 7000 have fingers do some have plates

paul · Mar 18, 2012

It probably depends what region you are in, I"ve seen 1 JD 7000 planter with plates in my life, seen 100"s of them with finger pickup, "here" in the midwest corn & bean area. They did come either way.

Most JD 7000 come with only 1 remote needed, they are hosed together to lift the planter & alternate the markers. Some have been set up to use more hyd hookups seperating the planter & marker operations.

No experience with the IH planter, but most came with a pto drive for the fan, either 560 or 1000; some do come with a hyd setup to run the fan but these tend to be bigger planter that use a bigger, newer, high-output tractor....

All these options you need to check out before buying, and most sellers don"t bother listing them, do they?

--->Paul

GordoSD · Mar 18, 2012

Use the 966 for tillage, overkill for planting. SH get that job done 1/2 the fuel

JDseller · Mar 19, 2012

Well lets look at what the guys buying them thought. There easily where hundred of thousands of JD 7000 planters sold. The IH 800 would be lucky to have sold maybe 25% of that. The IH 800 is not a bad planter but it is not a great planter either.

There where a some plate type JD 7000 planters out there. I would get finger pickup/plate less one. That finger pickup with just a little maintenance will do the best job with seed placement. On the slopes we plant here in North-east Iowa a good finger planter will do better than the a vacuum planter on seed spacing on side slopes.

The biggest reason to look long and hard at the JD 7000 over the IH 800 is parts. There are many after market suppliers of parts for the JD planter but not many for the IH. Shoup is a good one for both planters.

Anonymous-0 · Mar 19, 2012

And if the 7000 was a "great planter" why was there a newer series? and why did Kinze sell so many IMPROVED versions? There are a lot less critical wear parts on the 800 and they are cheap and simple. That being said my original statement about good dealer still makes the most sense.For a very long time this as an AC area because the IH & JD dealers were so hard to deal with or get service from. I'm not color blinded by green when all makers have something that far outshine anything the others have.

Russell Moore · Mar 20, 2012

is liquid fert. easier to apply and clean after than granular
how much trouble would it be to put a liquid system on a 7000 JD planter
how much would it cost

JDseller · Mar 21, 2012

Liquid fertilizer attachments are not too hard to install if you find one that is complete. If you are thinking for this year then you are starting kind of late to find one.

I would rather have dry fertilizer over liquid myself. With dry you have a much wider range of mixes you can have made. With liquid your going to have just a few choices. Your local dealer can't mix liquid fertilizer to your choice. You take what he has.

JDseller · Mar 21, 2012

gtski you must have forgotten that the JD 7000 corn planter came out in 1973. At the time IH came out with the cyclone 400 planter their first air planter. So your beloved IH 800 planter was the second generation of IH air planters. The JD 7000 was changed very little until 1988 went JD brought out the JD 7200 planter. There where ten times as many JD planter sold than IH and CIH put to gather.

Leroy · Mar 21, 2012

Number sold does not mean it is good, just heard mentality. Myself I have seen enough just walking around a 7000 that I would never consider owning one, now the 12XX series I would be interested in. But I would not own a planter that with it raised I could not walk up to and look in the seed boxes without a ladder that wound be nessary with that 7000.

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