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JD 224WS - What Speed

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Golfnut001

03-23-2011 13:37:15




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What speed should you run your PTO at for best results, I think were running about 350 - 400 which is a little slow?




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Tx Jim

03-25-2011 03:27:12




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 Re: JD 224WS - What Speed in reply to AB, 03-23-2011 13:37:15  
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The hay dogs and the plungerhead interact together,needles have nothing to do with them.
Hay dogs move every time plungerhead brings hay on a compression stroke.
Main problems I've seen with falty hay dogs is broken springs or worn pivot pins. Granted nonworking hay dogs can cause tying problems by letting hay spring back(pulling one twine out of knot) when PH is moving forwards the front of baler.

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Longmeadow farm

03-24-2011 16:07:47




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 Re: JD 224WS - What Speed in reply to Golfnut001, 03-23-2011 13:37:15  
If the ends of your bales are a bit ragged or have the appearance of being rather rough cut, then you may need to shapen your knives and/or adjust the plungerhead. Another problem may be that your hay dogs in the chamber are not working properly... rust... preventing the hay dog to retract properly after the needles retract. Another problem may be that your timing is off a bit. Running the baler at pto speeds below 540 should not be a problem, unless you have a mechanical kicker. Or your needle brake is shot or in need of adjustment.

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Tx Jim

03-23-2011 14:30:56




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 Re: JD 224WS - What Speed in reply to W R, 03-23-2011 13:37:15  
I've operated a sq baler many times at less than rated pto speed(540 rpms) in droughty years when hay was thin with no ill effects.

But if hay is thick to where 4-5 bales or more per minute is being formed 540 rpm's is desired. As already stated sharp PH & bale case knives set to proper clearance along with correct ground speed is very important.

An oblong worn hole in the shear pin bushing or arm will contribute to shearing of shear pins.

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msb

03-23-2011 14:12:50




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 Re: JD 224WS - What Speed in reply to Golfnut001, 03-23-2011 13:37:15  
224 (as were all Deere balers before the 336) was designed to run 60 strokes per minute and 11-13 charges per bale. 336 and later models were designed to run 80 strokes per minute for best performance according to Deere baler engineers.



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Showcrop

03-23-2011 14:05:49




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 Re: JD 224WS - What Speed in reply to Golfnut001, 03-23-2011 13:37:15  
Yes, that's a little slow. It is designed to work at 540, and at that speed everything has more kinetic energy in it so less load is put on the moving parts. Particularly if you were to feed a very heavy slug real slow it would probably bend or twist or beak something, whereas the energy in the flywheel at correct speed would keep the plunger moving more easily. A friend was starting out with one and driving by I saw that he was having problems. I stopped to help and I passed on what I had been taught a few years, well probably a bunch of years earlier, to keep it turning fast and it's easier on it.

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Golfnut001

03-23-2011 14:11:57




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 Re: JD 224WS - What Speed in reply to Showcrop, 03-23-2011 14:05:49  
Thanks, everytime we hit a slug we snap the shearpin on the flywheel. I'll try to convince my father-in law to speed it up.



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okierob

03-23-2011 19:42:15




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 Re: JD 224WS - What Speed in reply to Golfnut001, 03-23-2011 14:11:57  
Mine dont like big slugs either.I can usually tell by the size of the windrow if i need to cut ground speed or sheer a bolt.



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Adirondack Case guy

03-23-2011 14:21:59




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 Re: JD 224WS - What Speed in reply to Golfnut001, 03-23-2011 14:11:57  
You may need to sharpen the plunger knife and adjust the plunger guide rails so the knife and shear bar are at proper clearance. A sloppy plunger will make a baler run very hard.



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