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Soybeans...Drill Or Plant

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Birdman

01-17-2010 12:25:02




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Ok, figured it was time for another controversial subject, lol. No wars please though.
I was wonderin what ya alls view are on Drilling beans VS. Planting them in 30" or 15" rows. I drilled mine last year and they averaged 45 and would have been way better but I had a webworm problem that I didn't catch quickly enough. My plant pop was a little low as well I believe due to a flood after planting.
Lets hear it! Thanks and good luck to us all this season, it's right around thecorner!!!!!

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paul

01-17-2010 20:51:14




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 Re: Soybeans...Drill Or Plant in reply to Birdman, 01-17-2010 12:25:02  
I used to plant in 38 inch rows, didn"t like that.

Got a 15 inch planter, pretty happy with it.

Neighbor likes his drilled beans, says they do best for him.

Other neighbor was at 30, went to drilled, went back to 30, now he has a twin row planter, think he"s happy with that now.

Minnesota, clay or peat soils with above average ph, not too favorable to beans no matter what spacing. I think whatever you feel comfortable with is going to work well for you. Whatever you like tweaking with to make it work.

In the wrong rain, y clay will crust over & be hard on emerging beans in drilled conditions. Tend to "spill" beans and use more of the expensive seed than with a planter, but canopy might hold back weeds & an additional spraying. White mold can be a problem here.

Wide rows of 30 or 38 you can have weed issues esp on a short growth year. Need to look for bushy beans, less of them around these days.

I knida like my 15 inch, try for the best of both worlds, approach.

If I were a big farmer with $$$ that twin row for corn & beans doesn"t look too bad next door, I"d have to seriously consider that.

--->Paul

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James22

01-17-2010 19:30:37




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 Re: Soybeans...Drill Or Plant in reply to Birdman, 01-17-2010 12:25:02  
Neglected to mention that wide rows with a denser plant population can emerge better if the ground tends to have crusting problems. More plants pushing together can break thru. Interesting that some seem to believe that uneven depth control that might lead to uneven emergence is a problem. These small temporary gaps hurt yield, yet the plants can apparently fill the wide gap between 30 inch rows without any problem. In my opinion that seems to defy logic. Personally I would review the spraying technique and determine if wheel track damage wasn't the real culprit. Also would add that tests show a 50% optimum population will result in 90% yield. Consequently it is tough for me to believe the odd late emerging bean is going to effect yield unless populations are extremely low, and the later emerging bean doesn't have sufficient growing time. Not so for corn which is just a different animal. But that is the great thing about farming. One decides the issues and is free to operate the farm as he desires. Not necessarily true when you work for someone else; i.e., they decide the issues and expect you to implement. My father planted and raised animals according to the moon phases, yet the neighbors seemed to ignore these signs and thru more timely operations raised better crops. But his farm, his decisions.

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Dave Sherburne NY

01-17-2010 18:22:28




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 Re: Soybeans...Drill Or Plant in reply to Birdman, 01-17-2010 12:25:02  
Doesn't make much difference
drilled = more plants less beans per plant
rows = less plants more beans per plant
we planted with a Brillion seeder 1 year and the
combine flex head loved the smooth field.



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Birdman

01-17-2010 13:31:46




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 Re: Soybeans...Drill Or Plant in reply to Birdman, 01-17-2010 12:25:02  
Yeah, here in MO I didn't hear of any white mold issues this past season, hopefully it will stay that way.
I did like the fact that the canopy closed up quickly with the beans drilled. The flash flood after planting (that night) Made me replant and I estmate I ended up with 120,000 plant population when my target was 170,000 on 7.5" rows. Seemed like they didn't emerge very good though with the drill vs the planter in years past but I blamed it on the weather. Beans usually emerge pretty quickly planted wit hour planter but the drilled ones seemed like took forever, maybe they were planted too deep though. I had an aweful lot of trash that I had to work into the soil which was volunteer wheat. I thought that might have been a factor as well.

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flying belgian

01-17-2010 13:20:45




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 Re: Soybeans...Drill Or Plant in reply to Birdman, 01-17-2010 12:25:02  
Here in so Mn. I did a test a few years back. Drilled some with 6" spacing and planted some in 30". Rows beat drill by 1.7 bpa. Two tests in two fields. I believe dfference is hard to get uniform depth with drill so they don't emerge the same day.



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James22

01-17-2010 13:05:43




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 Re: Soybeans...Drill Or Plant in reply to Birdman, 01-17-2010 12:25:02  
If you are not in the northern states and have some of the better ground, there doesn't seem to be any difference between 30 inch and more narrow rows. However it takes longer to canopy and you might need an additional herbicide pass. Also 30 inch rows are better if you have had problems with white mold. Also a lot easier to spray 30 inch rows. I drill 15 inch rows. Might be able to cut seed rates if I used the planter, but since the ground is only average and no white mold problems, narrow rows are likely better. So that would mean an expensive splitter or double planting. We have drilled 160,000/acre and never have had the skips and emergence problems that others moan about. Plan on dropping the seed rate to 140,000/acre this year and if we had a splitter probably 120,000 or slightly less.

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NY 986

01-17-2010 13:04:34




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 Re: Soybeans...Drill Or Plant in reply to Birdman, 01-17-2010 12:25:02  
We run them through our 7000 planter as we like the precise depth control we get versus a conventional drill (not no-till). We also like the even spacing we get with the radial (JD) meters. Additional benefits are we can run our foliar feed program with minimal drive over of beans and better air circulation among plants to minimize molding issues. I think there is some benefit of narrow rows in fields with heavy soils as the roots do not travel far enough to utilize all available nutrients.

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farmerdon

01-17-2010 12:49:18




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 Re: Soybeans...Drill Or Plant in reply to Birdman, 01-17-2010 12:25:02  
with the higher cost of seed for RR2 beans i think a lot of farms will switch to planters. The larger cash grain operation locally is marrying a new precision seeder to their air cart right now



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