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Cub n M in Or

01-22-2009 21:08:33




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Doin a little research here. Thinking about partnering up in a friends hay operation. He currently puts up about 1200 ton of various grass and legume hay into 120lb 3 tie bales.
My take on 3 ties is that they are an antiquated technology. Horse people don"t want to lug bales that heavy, and anyone who is feeding large quantities of hay would likely be better served by big bales. So, my questions are, what HP tractor is needed to turn a machine like a NH BB960 or similar baler(have a 95, and 160hp available)? And, what are opinions on different models of big balers?

As always, any input is greatly appreciated!

Ben

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Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad

01-23-2009 06:10:09




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 Re: Big square baler questions in reply to Cub n M in Or, 01-22-2009 21:08:33  
Remember the horse girls will still want small squares. might think about getting a new small baler or two and a bale wagon. Even if the economy completly quits most horse girls will sell the husbands before the nag leaves.



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Brendon-KS

01-23-2009 03:51:30




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 Re: Big square baler questions in reply to Cub n M in Or, 01-22-2009 21:08:33  
In my experience running big square balers, a 3x4 can make a 135hp tractor work pretty hard. You could often power out before reaching the baler"s max capacity. Between your two available tractors, I would not even consider the 95hp. Big balers are heavy, too, and having a larger tractor to control them is important, especially on the road.
The 3x4 size is a nice compromise between the 4x4 and 3x3 sizes. Two wide on a truck is easier to load and unload than three wide like you get with 3x3"s. (The 3x3"s are actually only 32 inches wide so you can fit three wide on a truck and still be legal width.) The four foot wide models also tend to have better capacity.
As to bale weights, some folks refer to the three baler sizes as half ton, 3/4 ton, and one ton. In good alfalfa, these bale weights are pretty accurate.
As to the brand of baler, my personal bias would be to any of the AGCO models. They (Hesston) invented the big baler 30 years ago and still dominate the market.

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massey333

01-23-2009 06:33:19




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 Re: Big square baler questions in reply to Brendon-KS, 01-23-2009 03:51:30  
Brendon,what you and Cub are talking about are apples to oranges,What I believe he is talking about is a conventional size bale(16x18)that run around 120-150 Lbs.tied with 3 wires.I still have some in the mow from when dad did custom baling.The big bales you are talking of may have pretty well replaced the smaller 3 wire ones.As far as the HP,his 95 HP.should be fine.



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Cub n M in Or

01-23-2009 08:15:31




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 Re: Big square baler questions in reply to massey333, 01-23-2009 06:33:19  
I was talking about big bales, 3'x4'. The place bales the 16x22" bales now. I think that a big baler to satisfy the high volume customers, and a inline small baler for the horsey customers is a good ballance.

Ben



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massey333

01-24-2009 03:07:54




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 Re: Big square baler questions in reply to Cub n M in Or, 01-23-2009 08:15:31  
Correction on my other post.It isn't Kuhn that makes the big multi baler,It is the "KRONE COMBOPACK 1250 or 1500 MULTICUT".You can make 1 big bale or 1 big bale with several small tied bales inside of the larger one and can then be broken down for small bale sales or use.Sorry for the wrong name



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Ian Jones, Nanaimo, Canad

01-24-2009 07:43:35




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 Re: Big square baler questions in reply to massey333, 01-24-2009 03:07:54  
Krone has a neat idea but the bales inside are still around 150 lbs, too heavy to handle by hand.



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Brendon-KS

01-23-2009 17:31:43




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 Re: Big square baler questions in reply to Cub n M in Or, 01-23-2009 08:15:31  
If you are looking at a used baler, a Hesston 4790 or CaseIH 8585 would make a good rig. Under the paint and decals they are the same machine. AGCO markets the new products under AGCO (Hesston), Massey, and Challenger brand names.



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massey333

01-23-2009 14:02:53




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 Re: Big square baler questions in reply to Cub n M in Or, 01-23-2009 08:15:31  
Sorry,I misread your Post.Those Baler numbers didn't ring any bells.Dads cousins in Ca.were still running 3 wire small balers(4)a few years ago and I don't know of any big bale(3x4-4x4) market around us.If I was wanting to cover both markets,I would be looking at Kuhns big inline which is one big tied bale with either 6 or 8 small tied bales inside it or the "Band IT" bale system.Sorry for the other post and good luck with whatever you do Ben.

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CumminsMan

01-23-2009 11:19:50




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 Re: Big square baler questions in reply to Cub n M in Or, 01-23-2009 08:15:31  
Agree with Brendon.....get a Hesston you won't be disappointed.



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