Acres per day with a pull-type combine?

sixtyninegmc · Nov 3, 2011

I have no experience with combines, and in the next few years my dad and I are looking at getting into growing some oats, possibly wheat. Kind of liking the AC all-crops, but dad likes the idea of an older self-propelled. So we were both wondering about what the capacity of either setup would be in small grain crops? I realize there is a lot of variables, but this is a hypothetical question at this point.

Josh

tom upton · Nov 3, 2011

I have a little experience with an allcrop,and some experience with a oliver model 18. allcrop was I think a model 72. I used it to combine 10 acres of heavy, long straw wheat. Very very slow, and lots of plug-ups. seemed to want to wind around the cyl. also dumps first round on top of your back swath.If memory serves me correctly we where into the third day getting the field done. Probably not a apples to apples comparison , but the oliver 18 seems to be faster, never had a plug, other than when a walker drive belt broke. I combined 12 acres of 100 plus bushel/acre of oats this year with the oliver and I am guessing i averaged about an acre an hour.Nieghbour came into the field next to me with a 9500 series Deere and probably did 10 acres/hr, but his smile wasnt as wide as mine!

JMS/.MN · Nov 3, 2011

Dad got the AC 60 in 1948, the 66 in 1957, used it through 1964, when he retired. Typically 10 up to 15 acres a day in oats, depending on how long the day was. WC or WD45....I think usually first gear, beans might have been second. Acres per hour is usually a better measure, but many years we had 30-40 acres oats- that was a three day job. Cows still had to get milked, and some years that meant quitting early, with no help for that. Nine years between us two brothers, so it was a boost when I was old enough to milk cows.

Scott 730 · Nov 3, 2011

Width of cut in feet times MPH divided by 10 equals acres per hour.

sixtyninegmc · Nov 3, 2011

(quoted from post at 18:29:24 11/03/11)
Width of cut in feet times MPH divided by 10 equals acres per hour.

Uh, yeah. I got that far before I fell asleep in math class to.

sixtyninegmc · Nov 3, 2011

Thanks for the info, guys. I think the most we would ever be combining at once in our long term plan would be 100 acres a year, which would be doable, though slow. Are the older self-propelled machines as versatile as an all-crop? I would like to be able to do some seed harvesting as well as grain. Another variable I guess would be that at least when we start out, the straw will be as valuable or more than the grain, so it seems like I would want to cut as close to the ground as I can and that would mean running quite a bit of straw through the combine.

RedRoundhead · Nov 3, 2011

I usually see about 1 to 1 1/2 acres/hour in beans
with the old IH pull types. Oats about the same.
I'm not in a big hurry when i use those, either, so
if you give'r, you may be able to do more.

I love the old pull-types, but it is REAL nice to
not worry about running any crops down, as with a
self-propelled. If you are running small, odd shaped
fields, go self-propelled; It is much easier. They
are slow to drive down a road, though!

combinechris · Nov 3, 2011

depends on the straw length as to how fast you can go and how clean you are getting them. the all crops are good but you have to put up with the straw being delivered to the right side and either being dropped in the fence or on the uncut grain. i have run both an IH 80 and all-crops and i still prefer the all crops, i get a cleaner sample and all the light oats are blown out of the combine so my samples were heavier. a few years ago i went against a JD 9500 with an all crop and my sample was cleaner even though he got done before me. and i didn't leave oats in the field. i also have gotten a premium for mine. my oats this year weighed up at 36 lbs/bu.

DeltaRed · Nov 3, 2011

If you want straw,cut grain normally.then cut straw with a swather.

Anonymous-0 · Nov 3, 2011

Acres per hour = width of cut times speed divided by 8.25. Take this number times an efficiency percentage. This allows for turning and or hauling to the bin if you are by yourself. Example - 6 foot wide times 3 mph divided by 8.25 = 2.18 acres per hour. 2.18 acre/hour times 70% (.70) = 1.52 acres per hour. If you had 1/2 or 1 mile long rows your efficiency would go way up. If you had many contours and point rows it would go down. If you had someone hauling away from the combine and a decent size straight row farmed field your efficiency might be 90% +.

NW Ohio Tim · Nov 3, 2011

Without knowing how many acres you plan on harvesting, I'll go with a simple formula.... for the most part, combining is combining. A 10 ft head will do twice as much as a 5 ft head.

With that being said, I'd shoot for a 3 to 5 day harvest for wheat/oats, seems like that's usually the optimal window for getting it done most years without getting rained out.

If you can get your acres done with a smaller pull type, you'll have one less engine/drive train to maintain, hoping it'll be ready to go for 3 days a year. Your tractor is probably already running and ready to go, just hook up to the combine and harvest. Park the pull type combine when you're done, and it'll be ready again next year.

Hope that makes sense, it does in my pointy little head, but then again, I've been watching 6 rows of corn feed into a combine for the last 13 hrs........ time for a shower and a nap.

Let us know what you decide.

sixtyninegmc · Nov 3, 2011

So it sounds like an all-crop would be pushing it for harvest windows, but the price and simplicity appeals to me. Could a gleaner self-propelled do as many different grains and seeds as an all-crop, provided the proper attachements?

This is all a couple years off, I`m just trying to learn as much as I can ahead of time. Most likely anything I buy will be coming out of the states, so if I see something dirt cheap I might get it sooner. I know it will be a steep learning curve whatever way I go.

RedRoundhead · Nov 4, 2011

For doing 100 acres, in my opinion mind you, I would get an older diesel. I don"t have much experience with the older gassers, so i may be totally wrong; maybe a Gleaner E or F would be a good fit? You could always swap engines. I have heard IH engine swaps on the 15 series combines is not so bad. That D282 fellow just did one this year, and it sounded like it was mostly a bolt-up swap. You would have to ask him, though.

R Wyler · Nov 4, 2011

My choice would be a self propelled. I like the little Gleaner A I have. Perhaps a self propelled machine along with a pull type would work out depending on field size etc. Haveing a couple machines might work out well.

Anonymous-0 · Nov 4, 2011

I have a AC 72, you won't find anything that will clean grain better than the all crops. It's 6' cut so you aren't going to set any speed records. I've always enjoyed running it except in muddy conditions. I have a JD 40, 10' header that my uncle has given me but I haven't used it in the field myself yet. I've been around him using it & my grain always seemed to be cleaner but I do hope to try it out someday. Like someone else mentioned, its another motor,trans,rad.,batt., ect. to have to maintain.

Anonymous-0 · Nov 4, 2011

Dad once did around 32 acres of soybeans in one day with a 77 Case 2 rows at a time between milking, probably more the excepion than the rule

gbs · Nov 5, 2011

depends on how the machines are setup,daddy use to tell about him cutting oats with a trail type sack tie 5' cut jd pulled by an m farmall both modified, and the neighbor cutting with massey self propelled 10'cut with a bin, one on each side of the branch same size fields equal yield both started at the same time and finished at about the same time, his explanation was his machines cylinder was as wide as the header and had more hp turning the combine there by enabling him to cut at a faster rate nor did he have to stop to unload

Larry B 1486 · Nov 6, 2011

Now this has been a long time ago. The first combine that I used was a AC 60 with a FARMALL H in front of it. About 8 to 10 acers a day and that was a long day if everything went ok machine running non stop cutting soybeans with your left arm wore out from raising the header up and down all day. Up graded later to a AC 72. Real nice machine. Hyd lift header and no canvas. Had a Farmall Super M Diesel in front of it and could cut about 12 to 15 acers a day in 2nd gear. The next step was a IH 203 selfpropell and with the 13ft head on it we could get up to 30 acers a day. Thats been many moons ago but good memories.

Tom Yaz · Nov 7, 2011

Would not advise taking any more straw than you have to thru the allcrop - I suppose thats true for any combine.

100 acres is a lot for an allcrop.

But nothing does as good on those small seed crops like the allcrop..

Maybe you need to have one of each...

Anonymous-0 · Dec 28, 2011

Have you ever used a real pull type combinr? 7721jd or 852 massey.

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