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Onan voltage regulator/rectifier

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RsteveH

05-12-2006 16:12:58




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I have an Onan CCKA-MS 2111G 16.5HP engine on a 1974 Gravely 816 tractor. It appears the voltage rectifier/regulator is bad as it puts out 18VDC at 3600 RPM, 13VDC at idle. All of the standard checks have been done. Alternator output is 52VAC, all wiring and connectors are in good shape, battery is new, no appreciable voltage drops across system, good grounds. Onan wants $750 for a new rectifier/regulator, part #305-0919. (That"s right, $750.) I would like to replace it with a different suitable 3-wire voltage regulator for around $50 - $75. Problem is, this regulator has 4 wires. 2 are from the alternator, and one goes to the battery through a 30 amp fuse. The last wire is connected to the postive side of the ignition coil, which in turn is also connected to the key switch, and thus to the positive side of the battery when the key is turned on. Any idea what this wire is for? I lifted this wire from the regulator and it made no difference, (but then again the regulator is already broken.)
My plan is to install a 3 wire regulator and disconnect the wire between the regulator and the ignition coil permanently. Would like to know the purpose of this wire before I did though. Anyone out there had any experience with this? Onan reps have been a dead end on this issue, and cannot tell me what this wire is for. Local repair shops and a few others I have found on the web are also puzzled by this wire. Gravely forum and Ebay have not yieleded any results. The regulator is a Wico Prestolite FVR4012, and long obsolete. (Pardon my caution on this matter, but I just spent $1100 rebuilding the engine, and am a little wary about modifications to the electrical system without full knowledge of the possible impact.)
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RsteveH

05-15-2006 05:09:41




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 Re: Onan voltage regulator/rectifier in reply to RsteveH, 05-12-2006 16:12:58  
Dan and Shannon,
Thanks for the advice. I had the same thought about moving my regulator to a different part of the tractor. It looks as though the way to go is with a three wire regulator. Will probably buy the Kohler you recommended or possibly a different Onan regulator (191-2227) which is rated for 20 amps. Both look like their readily available for a reasonable price.



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Dan 2N

05-14-2006 14:24:38




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 Re: Onan voltage regulator/rectifier in reply to RsteveH, 05-12-2006 16:12:58  
Finally got that part number for Kohler rectifier, it is 41-403-06 and it is three post, the son in law said this is the normal hook up. Hope this is of some use. BTW I moved mine to the inside front of the dash to get it away from the engine heat.
Dan 2N



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Shannon from ohio

05-14-2006 14:58:26




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 Re: Onan voltage regulator/rectifier in reply to Dan 2N, 05-14-2006 14:24:38  
Good deal, Make sure the case is grounded good to a metal object. Not only will this dissipate the normal heat produced by the unit,it will also give it a reference to ground so it will work properly and prevent the unit from burning out..BTW, The two outer lugs are the AC and the center lug is the B+ lead



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Dan 2N

05-14-2006 18:47:08




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 Re: Onan voltage regulator/rectifier in reply to Shannon from ohio, 05-14-2006 14:58:26  
Yep, the unit is bolted to the inside of the dash and low close to the chassis, and when I looked at my spare that is the way the lugs were marked, B+ and A C.
Dan 2N



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shannon from ohio

05-14-2006 10:41:54




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 Re: Onan voltage regulator/rectifier in reply to RsteveH, 05-12-2006 16:12:58  
Get the three terminal kohler regulator and eliminate the 4th wire permenantly. Has no suitable use...



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Dan 2N

05-12-2006 16:25:55




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 Re: Onan voltage regulator/rectifier in reply to RsteveH, 05-12-2006 16:12:58  
RsteveH, I have a 76 Gravely 816, my son-in-law is a mechanic at what use to be Gravely dealer, told me one Kohler unit would interchance, I will try to find part no. and post back.
Dan



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RsteveH

05-13-2006 12:36:49




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 Re: Onan voltage regulator/rectifier in reply to Dan 2N, 05-12-2006 16:25:55  
Thanks. Is there a chance that he would know why this engine has a 4 wire regulator?



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