Ford 641 Starting issue

Gator799

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I have a 57 Ford 641. I am having problems getting it to turn over. I've put a new coil and solenoid on. I've checked the starter out. No problems there. The ignition works. Battery is good. Fuel line is open. No kill switch installed. When I turn the key, it wants to start but doesnt. What else could be the issue?
 
Does the engine turn over and not start or does it not turn over, as in does the starter engage
and spin the engine? If it's not not spinning the engine I would check and clean the battery
cables. Try touching the battery cables while trying to start it. Do this to see if any of the
connections are getting hot. That would indicate a poor connection.
If it's turning over but not starting I would check for a good bright spark at ALL of the spark
plugs.
Dave
 
(When I turn the key,it wants to star but doesn't.) Turning the key should not engage the starter. Sounds like the solenoid you replaced is not
correct.. You need a four post solenoid that used ground to activate.
 
When I turn the key, it wants to start but doesnt.

Sound like it needs a motivational coach.

Turning the key should not engage the starter. Sounds like the solenoid you replaced is not
correct.. You need a four post solenoid that used ground to activate.

Who know how it might have been rewired over the3 years. It might have been converted at some point to bypass the neutral safety switch and use a key switch with a start position.
 
(quoted from post at 06:41:40 01/24/23) I have a 57 Ford 641. I am having problems getting it to turn over. I've put a new coil and solenoid on. I've checked the starter out. No problems there. The ignition works. Battery is good. Fuel line is open. No kill switch installed. When I turn the key, it wants to start but doesnt. What else could be the issue?
Need some clarification and definition of terms. Turn over generally means battery, starter and it's circuits and problems related to it.
Now why did you change the solenoid and coil? Any diagnosis or reasons? You checked the starter out how? Ignition works, what exactly are you testing?
If the engine turns over with the starter I would look at a spark plug to see it's condition. I would also use a spark tester (a real spark tester) to check for good spark. If spark was good I would check for fuel flow to the carburetor.
 


I partially agree with eman. It is unclear what you mean by turn over. To some people turn over is when the starter is cranking the engine. To others turnover means that the engine runs. I prefer to call what the starter does as crank the engine.
 
(quoted from post at 09:37:13 01/25/23)

I partially agree with eman. It is unclear what you mean by turn over. To some people turn over is when the starter is cranking the engine. To others turnover means that the engine runs. I prefer to call what the starter does as crank the engine.

Unfortunately, some folks use the term "cranks" to mean that the engine starts. My preference is to say that the starter does or doesn't turn the engine and if it does turn the engine, the engine either starts or it doesn't start, as that removes any and all assumptions.
 
(quoted from post at 13:05:14 01/25/23)
(quoted from post at 09:37:13 01/25/23)

I partially agree with eman. It is unclear what you mean by turn over. To some people turn over is when the starter is cranking the engine. To others turnover means that the engine runs. I prefer to call what the starter does as crank the engine.

Unfortunately, some folks use the term "cranks" to mean that the engine starts. My preference is to say that the starter does or doesn't turn the engine and if it does turn the engine, the engine either starts or it doesn't start, as that removes any and all assumptions.


Do you think you will get anyone else to replace one word with 10?
 
Do you think you will get anyone else to replace one word with 10?

I do computer support for a living and spend my days asking clarifying questions based on the vague descriptions of he problems that my customers initially provide. I eventually get enough information to figure out what is going wrong and provide a solution.
 
(quoted from post at 06:41:40 01/24/23) I have a 57 Ford 641. I am having problems getting it to turn over. I've put a new coil and solenoid on. I've checked the starter out. No problems there. The ignition works. Battery is good. Fuel line is open. No kill switch installed. When I turn the key, it wants to start but doesnt. What else could be the issue?
[video play=false:5d163e59c1]https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/videos/mvvideo101875.mp4[/video:5d163e59c1]


This post was edited by Gator799 on 01/28/2023 at 08:33 am.
 
The sound must not belong to the picture, as I do not see movement in fan belt, fan or alternator pulley/fan?
 
(quoted from post at 16:12:06 01/25/23)
(quoted from post at 13:05:14 01/25/23)
(quoted from post at 09:37:13 01/25/23)

I partially agree with eman. It is unclear what you mean by turn over. To some people turn over is when the starter is cranking the engine. To others turnover means that the engine runs. I prefer to call what the starter does as crank the engine.

Unfortunately, some folks use the term "cranks" to mean that the engine starts. My preference is to say that the starter does or doesn't turn the engine and if it does turn the engine, the engine either starts or it doesn't start, as that removes any and all assumptions.


Do you think you will get anyone else to replace one word with 10?
ractor turns over, but won't go!
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(quoted from post at 13:48:32 01/28/23) The sound must not belong to the picture, as I do not see movement in fan belt, fan or alternator pulley/fan?



Are you serious? You can't see the fan move at the top of the video??
 


OK Gator, now we have FINALLY established that it is cranking, and cranking very well. So if you can spare a minute perhaps you could give a few more hints. Please describe what you mean by the following three statements: "The ignition works. Battery is good. Fuel line is open."
 
The battery is not even two years old. the ignition works or it wouldn't turn over. I have a fuel cut off to my carb.

This post was edited by Gator799 on 01/28/2023 at 03:54 pm.
 
(quoted from post at 17:40:34 01/28/23)
(quoted from post at 13:48:32 01/28/23) The sound must not belong to the picture, as I do not see movement in fan belt, fan or alternator pulley/fan?



Are you serious? You can't see the fan move at the top of the video??
bsolutely.
 
You say the ignition system is good because it cranks over. Negative! That is incorrect. The starting circuit and ignition circuit are different. You can crank all day with no spark. You must test for spark to determine that the ignition system is ok.
 
(quoted from post at 16:47:25 01/28/23) The battery is not even two years old. the ignition works or it wouldn't turn over. I have a fuel cut off to my carb.

This post was edited by Gator799 on 01/28/2023 at 03:54 pm.


Please explain what you mean by these two statements: "it wouldn't turn over. I have a fuel cut off to my carb"
 

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