Ford 800, adding a 3 pt.hitch?

JoshFord800

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Hi All,
I am a newbie to tractors, so forgive my ignorance.
I bought a great running Ford 800 series with a Wagner front loader. Runs and drives well.
It has an up/down five speed but no three point hitch or PTO.
A PTO would be nice but not essential, the three point hitch I definitely want.
I have the ability to jury rig one, but I figured I'd ask here about better options.
It does have the front mounted hydraulic pump which could be routed to power a rear lift.
Thoughts?
Thanks in advance,
Josh
 
I'd get a second tractor with the three point from the factory. There are tons of them out there still running and doing the job. Whatever you would rig up would be second rate to the original.
 
What model 800 series do you have?? 820 or 830. Does it have the hyd pump on the side of the engine or does it lack the pump also??
 
As mentioned, what model number 8XX do you have?
There is a huge difference between replacing some parts
that got removed, from rigging up something on a tractor
that never was equipped with a 3 pt. Pictures of the
back end of your tractor might help.
 
Getting a second one is highly unlikely for me. I'm on Long Island, NY.
The tractor is going to Vermont and soon as I do some maintenance stuff and finish doing some landscape work here.
Thanks for the idea though.
 
I'll post a pic asap, but it has the hydraulic pump in front, driven by the crankshaft.
It has never had a 3 pt hitch or PTO. That is for sure.
 
On the flat/horizontal spot just above the starter nose cone, you
should be able to find the model number, serial number etc.
Those may help us help you.

This is the pump that was asked about. On the right, rear end of the engine.

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These are the only two pictures I have right now. Neither is where you've specified. The greasy one is of the engine block lower left, I think. The other one is from the back end.
Thanks,
Josh
 
Those numbers are casting numbers and don't tell us any thing. As said the serial number and model number are on a flat spot aft of the starter. If you lay your right hand on the clutch pedal and your left hand on the starter and look down you can see the flat spot under the battery box. There will be 2 horizontal bolt holes just below those numbers
 
(quoted from post at 18:29:32 11/30/22) Getting a second one is highly unlikely for me. I'm on Long Island, NY.
The tractor is going to Vermont and soon as I do some maintenance stuff and finish doing some landscape work here.
Thanks for the idea though.


Your question is not all that unusual and the answer that Steve gave you is the usual one.
 
(quoted from post at 06:11:20 12/01/22)
(quoted from post at 18:29:32 11/30/22) Getting a second one is highly unlikely for me. I'm on Long Island, NY.
The tractor is going to Vermont and soon as I do some maintenance stuff and finish doing some landscape work here.
Thanks for the idea though.


Your question is not all that unusual and the answer that Steve gave you is the usual one.

Believe me, I'd love to swap the back end and get the factory 3 pt. hitch.
In many parts of the country, and for a lot of people here I suspect, that would be the best option. But even if I could find one, I don't have the covered space, or some of the equipment needed, to do that kind of work.
Not to mention the expertise.

Thanks,
Josh
 
Model 820 is an 800-series tractor (172 cu
in engine) with no three point hydraulic
system and no PTO. 55584 is a 1955 serial
number. I'm afraid this just tells you
what you already know so doesn't help you
much.
 

Thanks. It's strange that my 820 has a 5 speed though.

Now, back to my original question. Anyone ever adapt a hydraulic cylinder to make a 3 pt. lift?

I know it won't be as good as the factory and I can live without the PTO, but I want to do it anyway.

Here's a pic of the back end. I want to locate a double acting ram connected to a bellcrank for the lift.

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Years ago I built a 3 point hitch for my Oliver 77 so yes it can be done plus they sell kits for adding a 3 point to tractors that don't have one but not sure if you could find a kit to fit a ford since most had 3 points
 
Not so strange that it's a 5 speed, 800-series didn't offer a four speed until
part way through the 1957 model year. Below is an ad describing the original 820
with 5 speed.

Sorry don't have any easy solution for adding makeshift 3PH.

<IMG SRC=https://i.postimg.cc/9QYppfRr/Ford800-Brochure.jpg>
 

Thank you for this! I love seeing ads and information from back in the day.
I was able to get the owners manual for both the tractor and the loader online.
It makes things so much easier.
 
It was a two page ad, here is the second page which is interesting as well.

<IMG SRC=https://i.postimg.cc/zf3ggDnm/Ford800-Ad-P2.jpg>
 
(quoted from post at 16:30:21 12/01/22)
Thanks. It's strange that my 820 has a 5 speed though.

Now, back to my original question. Anyone ever adapt a hydraulic cylinder to make a 3 pt. lift?

I know it won't be as good as the factory and I can live without the PTO, but I want to do it anyway.

Here's a pic of the back end. I want to locate a double acting ram connected to a bellcrank for the lift.

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ere is one I klugded together many years ago on Farmall SMTA to move 1000+# round bales. Has worked fine for well over 20 years, but look like a bear's _$$ sewed up with a grapevine. Hinging parts closest to tractor &amp; bolted to axle are parts of an old plow. Some arms , too.
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here is another:
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This post was edited by JMOR on 12/01/2022 at 03:48 pm.
 
You could probably get a hydraulic top cover from an 800 or 801 series tractor from a junk yard that would bolt on in place of that plate that the seat is mounted to. Then you would have the cylinder and what you call a bellcrank. Add the original pump that mounts on the side of the engine and the lines to connect it to the top cover and you're in business. I think that would bexcd5 a lot simpler and more satisfactory than trying to cobb something.
 
You could probably get a hydraulic top cover from an 800 or 801 series tractor from a junk yard that would bolt on in place of that plate that the seat is mounted to. Then you would have the cylinder and what you call a bellcrank. Add the original pump that mounts on the side of the engine and the lines to connect it to the top cover and you're in business. I think that would be a lot simpler and more satisfactory than trying to cobb something.
 
Thanks for the pics. And the ideas...

I get that your solution could've looked better, but working for twenty years is a beautiful thing. 8)
 

Thanks. I had no idea that was a possibility. That would definitely be the best option.
Would it be possible to use the front pump hydraulics to power it?
 
(quoted from post at 20:55:08 12/01/22)
Thanks. I had no idea that was a possibility. That would definitely be the best option.
Would it be possible to use the front pump hydraulics to power it?
es, that front pump option has been done too.
 
Is the front mount pump being used for something like a loader? If so, you would need to do something to either split the flow or add power beyond capabilities to the loader control valve, either of which could be more hassle and possibly more expensive than finding the original 3 point pump and manifold at a salvage yard. You will still need to find a the top cover and relief valve whichever pump you decide to use unless you want to reinvent the wheel , so to speak.
 
(quoted from post at 13:30:21 12/02/22) Is the front mount pump being used for something like a loader? If so, you would need to do something to either split the flow or add power beyond capabilities to the loader control valve, either of which could be more hassle and possibly more expensive than finding the original 3 point pump and manifold at a salvage yard. You will still need to find a the top cover and relief valve whichever pump you decide to use unless you want to reinvent the wheel , so to speak.
ean, your mention of the relief valve, bade me think, "I wonder if the hyd tubes from front , thru xmission, etc. are installed in the tractor?" I suppose they have to be, or else the holes plugged, to keep xmission fluid in there.
 
(quoted from post at 17:23:39 12/02/22)
(quoted from post at 13:30:21 12/02/22) Is the front mount pump being used for something like a loader? If so, you would need to do something to either split the flow or add power beyond capabilities to the loader control valve, either of which could be more hassle and possibly more expensive than finding the original 3 point pump and manifold at a salvage yard. You will still need to find a the top cover and relief valve whichever pump you decide to use unless you want to reinvent the wheel , so to speak.
ean, your mention of the relief valve, bade me think, "I wonder if the hyd tubes from front , thru xmission, etc. are installed in the tractor?" I suppose they have to be, or else the holes plugged, to keep xmission fluid in there.

JMOR, the parts drawing that shows the little blank plate at the front corner of the transmission for when there is no 3 point installed shows o-rings behind the plate, so I assumed that the tubes would always be there, but after thinking on it, those o-rings might only be there to keep tranny fluid from leaking out, so your guess is as good as mine at this point.
 
Thanks to everyone for the great info. You guys rock.

I don't know the specifications for the front pump, but the lines are all external.
They go to a two spool controller on the right side of the dash. I was thinking I could get a three spool controller and use the third one for the rear lift.

I didn't know that there were this many options. It is probably going to take me a little while to figure out which one would be best.

Thank you for the information about where to source the parts, that's where I have the least knowledge.

Here's a picture of my son learning about manual steering.
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Typical Wagner loader front pump was 14
GPM, engine-mounted pump was 4 GPM. You
would have a very zippy lift with front
pump connected to standard lift cover,
although probably could feather the
handle. Also lift cover depends on a
continuous flow from pump for back
pressure to operate the unloading valve
and such, operation might be interesting
if run with intermittent flow.
 
If you just add a third spool to the loader valve, then you would have to fabricate your own lift hardware for the rear of the tractor, because the factory 3 point lift top cover has its own control valve and I do not think it would work in conjunction with a third spool on the loader valve, as the internal lift cylinder is power up and gravity down, and several paths in that circuit dump directly to the 3 point hydraulics sump under the seat, so even if it would work, you would need to add an extra pump just to move the fluid from the 3 point sump back to the reservoir for the front pump. As I have said, it will be easier to find everything you need to add the factory 3 point system from a salvage yard, including the pump or, better yet, find the rear half of a tractor that has a blown engine and swap everything from the flywheel back.
 
I have a call in to All states ag. for the hydraulic top cover. I am waiting to hear back.

I live in a virtual tractor desert. All of the parts tractors I saw on their website are several hundred miles away. I know that swapping is my best option, but it may not be an option I have.

If I did a three spool set up it would very much be a jury rigged 3 pt hitch. I would rather do it right, but I imagine the shipping costs alone on the parts I saw would be prohibitive. I'll know more soon.

Thank you for the information. I am definitely getting better informed.
 
I suggest you call Wengers Farm Equipment in Myerstown, Pa. I did business with them a few times back when I was on the farm and was always very satisfied. Their phone number is (800) 451-5240. They will ship, or if you have a pickup truck, you could do a road trip.
 
What part of the country are you in? There may be one or more salvage yards in your area that you aren't aware of that someone here might know of.
 
(quoted from post at 09:07:46 12/04/22) What part of the country are you in? There may be one or more salvage yards in your area that you aren't aware of that someone here might know of.
I am on the eastern end of Long Island New York.
A neighbor just told me about Wengers I will give them a call.

This post was edited by JoshFord800 on 12/04/2022 at 12:23 pm.
 
Wengers is about an hours drive from me. I've dealt with them a few times and they are good to work with.
 

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