Ford 5030 Shuttle 4x4 Transmission oil pick-up screen &a

I have a Ford 5030 with unknown hours on it, built in the UK in 1998. I had the shuttle repaired two years ago. It seems to be working fine right now.
I read 'Destroked 450' posts about the oil pump pick-up screen and decided to take a look at it.
Oil seems to be a little thicker than typical UDT, and opaque brown-ish.
Pick-up screen has a few little metal pieces in it at the 'frown' inlet, and also a small spring! Spring is about 0.5" long by about 0.25" OD or smaller. Found two more identical springs in drain bucket, but they looked like they had been pulled at one end and straightened.
NH dealer quoted $350 for a new screen assembly! I'm guessing that this screen can be back-flushed and reinstalled.
I purchased 10 gal of Kubota Super UDT 2. Will this be ok for the tranny and the hydraulics?
Thanks!
doug

Not sure what those springs for for at the moment
With care the suction screens outer cover can be separated from the cover plate, then you can remove the screen to clean it
Once cleaned reassemble and use a little sealer to seal the cover to the plate

The transmission is a hi/lo 4x4 with a clutched shuttle.
I purchased this tractor four years ago with 1950 hrs on the clock, but at 2100 hrs it rolled back to 1900 hrs. So I have no idea how many hours she has.
The main questions are:
1) Due to the unknown hours, should I replace the screen assembly, or merely flush it out? It doesn't look too bad, just a few little particles showing on the surface of the screen that I can see.
2) Will Kubota SUDT2 be good for the tranny and rear axle/hydraulics, or should I go with standard UDT? The tranny and the rear axle/hydraulics are separate volumes.
3) Would it be a good idea to 'flush' the tranny with some cheaper UDT for an hour or two, then drain and replace with the better stuff (SUDT2)?
Thanks

Thanks Destroked.
Also, while I was removing the screen assembly, the thing fell into the oil bucket and I have no idea which direction the inlet should be facing. Any idea?

What kind of sealant has worked best for you when rejoining the aluminum cap to the base plate?

if it's the same as my 345C, the nipple with the O-ring is offset just a bit to one side, when you put it back up you'll see if the bolt holes are not lining up and you can just turn it 180 degrees

(quoted from post at 18:08:16 05/02/22) if it's the same as my 345C, the nipple with the O-ring is offset just a bit to one side, when you put it back up you'll see if the bolt holes are not lining up and you can just turn it 180 degrees

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Yes, thanks. I saw that after looking at it for a second after posting the silly question.
I just got done flushing out the screen with kerosene. I hooked it up to my red-neck 12v hi-flo diesel pump parts cleaner and reverse-flushed it from the nipple with the base plate attached, moving it to and fro, up and down, all around with kerosene squirting everywhere (into a catch bucket) to ensure crud would be pushed out. Fifteen minutes of strong, manipulated flow took care of all that. I took off the base plate (5mm Nyloc nut through the nipple) and the interior of the screen looked nice and shiny as did what I could see of the exterior. A good amount of crud and what appears as brass glitter was exfiltrated. Before the flushing process, the screen seemed to be not bunged-up at all as I could easily blow through the nipple-end without any perceived restriction.
I'll probably use some YamaBond-4 (fuel and oil proof) or similar to adhere the rubber gasket back onto the bottom of the screen filter.

Thanks for your help.
doug

This post was edited by Starchy on 05/02/2022 at 07:11 pm.

(quoted from post at 15:27:33 05/02/22) I had the shuttle repaired two years ago. It seems to be working fine right now. Pick-up screen has a few little metal pieces in it at the 'frown' inlet, and also a small spring!

I purchased 10 gal of Kubota Super UDT 2. Will this be ok for the tranny and the hydraulics?

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If I remember correctly, Kubota UDT doesn't even meet or exceed Ford spec-s. That surprised me. If my memory is correct, I wouldn't use the UDT-2 in a Ford until I could determine is was the same as or better than M2C134D. Take a look at Valvoline VV813 Unitrac. If it still meets or exceeds Ford M2C134D, it won't damage your shuttle.

One of my pet peeves about shuttle and power shift repairs. Often the mechanic doesn't flush the transmission case until it's "clean". The debris you found is likely left over from your previous failure/repair. Sounds like you fixed the problem.

I'm not sure what the udt/udt2 specs are
but if they're a gl4 oil i wouldn't worry
about it in the transmission. Rear axle...
Make sure it conforms to 134d spec or it
may take the brakes out. The transmission
calls for 134d as well but perhaps someone
put syn50 in it, which would also be fine
in my opinion.

The springs seem like detent springs,
possibly from the synchros... Hopefully
leftovers from before.
Make sure clutch linkage free travel is
properly adjusted and you get a good
release before shifting or that will
quickly take the synchros out.

Rod

(quoted from post at 05:04:53 05/03/22) I'm not sure what the udt/udt2 specs are
but if they're a gl4 oil i wouldn't worry
about it in the transmission. Rear axle...
Make sure it conforms to 134d spec or it
may take the brakes out. The transmission
calls for 134d as well but perhaps someone
put syn50 in it, which would also be fine
in my opinion.

The springs seem like detent springs,
possibly from the synchros... Hopefully
leftovers from before.
Make sure clutch linkage free travel is
properly adjusted and you get a good
release before shifting or that will
quickly take the synchros out.

Rod

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Rod, welcome back! Where have you been for the last eight months? I referenced you on a 7710 question last week.

(quoted from post at 21:51:57 05/02/22)
If I remember correctly, Kubota UDT doesn't even meet or exceed Ford spec-s. That surprised me. If my memory is correct, I wouldn't use the UDT-2 in a Ford until I could determine is was the same as or better than M2C134D. Take a look at Valvoline VV813 Unitrac. If it still meets or exceeds Ford M2C134D, it won't damage your shuttle.

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Check Break: I found specs on the SUDT2, and it says it meets M2C134A,B,C,and D requirements. Also, it's Viscosity Index is 199 compared to Valvoline's 141 or Ambra Mastertran Ultraction's 145, which 'suggests' that the SUDT2 provides better lubrication throughout the temperature range. However, the SUDT2 has lower viscosities at 40c and 100c.
file:///C:/Users/GDM/AppData/Local/Temp/Kubota%20Super%20UDT2%20Fluid%20PI%20Sheet%20(1).pdf
NH recommends: https://epliportal.pli-petronas.com/ePliAPI/api/document/DownloadDocumentById?documentId=adfc446d-6c51-4d84-1f3a-08d7f71211d1

Hi Showcrop, I float in from time to time. I've just been busy with family and my screen time has been mostly consumed with fire
department business over the past year or so. Going to try and check in more often...

Rod

Ive got a set of synchros for those transmissions if anyone needs some
Their used but still in usable condition
Transmission spun a bearing in the case and had other issues so we replaced it with a spare I had from a parted 3930

(quoted from post at 08:30:48 05/03/22) Hi Showcrop, I float in from time to time. I've just been busy with family and my screen time has been mostly consumed with fire
department business over the past year or so. Going to try and check in more often...

Rod

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Fire Dept. here has been tough lately with so many getting terminated or leaving. I can't leave. I am the only driver, LOL.

Yeah, it's always sort of been tough here. We're up some numbers right now but that's always changing. Training has been a huge
challenge the past two years. As soon as we start something it gets shut down again...
I'm actually the D/C so I get lots of paper and reports... We also acquired a 'new to us' rescue pumper this winter so there was a
lot of chasing to do on that, and more to come. Some of us have just been sentenced to life lol

Rod

Figured a photo of one of these would be good. You can absolutely clean these, I soaked in gasoline and kept dipping and
flushing, a trace amount of metal fines was found when I did mine last, nothing to be concerned about. There is an O ring and
gasket, I keep a spare around. It's about the same volume of fluid as the engine, and I did take this screen apart as far as
can be done when cleaning it.

Correction, rubber gasket as shown and paper gasket under the cover which is CNH part number 83962268 according the label onm my spare gasket.