New Ford 600 owner here

92stroker

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Hello everyone, new to the forum, new to tractors, and just picked up a solid Ford 600 that I found on my local craigslist (Albuquerque,NM).

Bear with me as I am not yet well versed in proper tractor nomenclature!

So my little 600 is a equipped with a rather heavy duty front end loader, and everything works, the machine has had pretty substantial maintenance, starts right up, hydros all work etc. However, the loader has a couple pretty bad leaks, one from the pump and one from one of the cylinders that controls bucket pitch. There are also some seeps at the other cylinders and the control box. Now I am pretty saavy with a wrench, and I was hoping to rebuild some of these components myself starting with the pump. The issue is that I cannot identify any of the company's to shop the needed parts.

So I decided to ask the experts and see if y'all can help me ID some of this stuff.

This post was edited by 92stroker on 04/27/2022 at 01:02 pm.
 
So far I am failing the picture upload test, I think my resolution is too high, as my photo sizes are all 3-5mb. Any suggestions?

Resized the photos with the required range and received an error stating that my post contained words that are not allowed in the forum even when I didn't include text...

This post was edited by 92stroker on 04/27/2022 at 01:22 pm.
 
To post a picture unless you go down to site comments you have to have 5 plus post or ask permission to do so.

As for who make the loader if you have a hyds shop in the area they can get you seals or rebuild them for you. Also if it has a vane pump many times it is better to just replace the pump The Surplus Center has pumps and cylinder at a good price. You can call them 800-488-3407
Surplus center
 
Oh, that makes sense (regarding the photos) thank you!

I believe that what I have is a gear pump based on the shape of the housing. It appears to be made by Borg Warner for Wooster. I sent an email to Wooster and a gentleman there is looking into it for me. I have contacted a local hydro shop, and felt the prices were a little high for something I can most likely do in my driveway, but if it comes down to it that's the direction I will go. I had hoped it would be one of those things where people who have been working with tractors all their lives would say oh yeah that's a blah blah from yada yada here's a link to the kit 🤣 wishful thinking I guess.

Maybe you can help me get the reservoir filled up? The hydro fluid is carried in the right side of the loader frame. There is a pipe cap in the top of the lower horizontal tube that bolts to the bottom the rear axle making up the foundation of the loader, and there is another pipe plug in the top of the right hand tower that branches off the lower tube where the boom pivots. I was thinking I should take both caps off and fill from the top until some fluid comes out the bottom port, am I on the right track?

Or maybe the top plug is just a vent port to allow air to be displaced when filling from the bottom port??

This post was edited by 92stroker on 04/27/2022 at 02:12 pm.
 
Fill from the top but the lower one is the drain so leave it in unless your going to change the fluid. Have all cylinders close and fill it almost to the top
 
(quoted from post at 14:30:58 04/27/22) Fill from the top but the lower one is the drain so leave it in unless your going to change the fluid. Have all cylinders close and fill it almost to the top

Okay, thank you very much. Just out of curiosity what you the drain procedure be? The lower plug points upward so if I were to use it to drain the system, the entire horizontal portion would still be filled with fluid. Do you need to apply air to the top, or maybe use a vacuum pump?

Thanks for the help!
 
Hard to say not knowing what loader you
have but on my Ford loader there is a
drain plug at the lowest point on the
frame which is in the vicinity of the
front-mounted pump.
 
If it is a pipe fitting could just be that is where who ever put it in stopped turning it
 
Saying a rather heavy duty front end loader, won't find the parts you need. Pictures will help, but unless you can fully ID the loader, and someone hasn't changed cylinders over the years, you will likely have to tear the cylinder apart, then match the sealing parts up at a hydraulic shop. It may check out to be one there is a kit for, but often there are no kits.
 
Couldn't agree more! Unfortunately I
didn't have a high enough post count to
post pictures when I started this thread.
Should be about there now, though!

I went ahead and filled it through the top
port which has one large nit with a
breather bolt in the center. Took most of
5 gallons. Had all the cylinders fully
collapsed. Lifted it all the way, rolled
the bucket all the way down, then back,
then lowered it down. Performed well but
as soon as the lift cylinders were about
80% collapsed, it started spraying
hydraulic fluid from the breather! Messed
with it for a minute extending and
collapsing the cylinders, and everytime I
collapsed them it would spray. So I
thought I might try and bleed it by
loosening the lower fill port on the
frame, and low & behold, the upper vent
port started sucking air and after several
seconds oil began to well up out from
around the threads of the lower plug.
Once that started I tightened it back up
and it worked without spraying for about
10 minutes before it started again, but
less so this time around. Bled some more
air out and we'll see what happens
tomorrow. I contacted the guy who sold it
to me and he told me to fill it from the
bottom, so I learned the hard way, which
is how things tend to go
 
I recently had to replace the seal in my old loader lift cylinders. I took one apart, took the worn out seal to my favorite auto parts store & they measured it, cross-referenced it, & 2 days later I had new ones that solved the leak.
 
(quoted from post at 06:14:57 04/28/22) I recently had to replace the seal in my old loader lift cylinders. I took one apart, took the worn out seal to my favorite auto parts store & they measured it, cross-referenced it, & 2 days later I had new ones that solved the leak.

Thank you Lynn, I have to get some farm work done first but this is likely the direction I will go.

Hoping the cylinders go better than the pump! Heard back from Wooster today, they do not have any parts for the pump, not a cross reference for a replacement pump. So I guess I'll see if my local hydro shop can work with it, or I'll tear it apart and see if I can get it to seal on my own before I replace it
 
Okay looks like I can post pics now... So here it is! You can see that the loader is pretty beefy, with 4 rams and the heavy booms. This isn't a great angle, but the towers are really distinct in the size and shape - very broad at the bottom, tapering up to the pivot, a super strong design. I'll try to get a better picture of the towers. You can also see the lock rings on the cylinders use a spanner design rather than a circlip or hex.


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And here is the pump. It says Borg Warner on one side and on the other side it says Wooster Div. and a model number P3 9EH5 2LO

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This post was edited by 92stroker on 04/29/2022 at 07:41 am.
 
Looks similar to the Freeman Loader I have on my '73 4000 except for the uprights. The arms have the same reinforcing plates welded on at the point where they bend down, and the cylinders look identical to what mine had on originally. The chrome rods on mine were rusted and pitted too bad to hold a seal so I replaced them with "close enough" cylinders from surpluscenter.com.
 
(quoted from post at 16:01:44 04/29/22) Looks similar to the Freeman Loader I have on my '73 4000 except for the uprights. The arms have the same reinforcing plates welded on at the point where they bend down, and the cylinders look identical to what mine had on originally. The chrome rods on mine were rusted and pitted too bad to hold a seal so I replaced them with "close enough" cylinders from surpluscenter.com.

Awesome info, thank you! Those reinforcement plates are definitely one of the unique features I have been looking for when attempting to ID the loader, glad to hear the cylinders check out as well. Mine don't seem to have any pitting, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I can service them.

Edit: I see what you mean. I did an image search and found lots of freeman loaders with the same booms but the towers were *almost* all square and much smaller. I did however find a couple with the same uprights, although I'm suspicions that the most distinct might actually be a photo from the advert that was posted by the person that sold this loader to the guy I bought the tractor from. Don't know how long ago that would have been but stuff can live on the internet for a very long time 🤣 regardless of whether it is my actual loader, it does say that it was originally for a Ford 800, so that's a clue. I did indeed find a couple more matches searching for Ford 800 Freeman Loader.

This post was edited by 92stroker on 04/29/2022 at 06:56 pm.
 

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