Ford 1801 Industrial

nashranch

Well-known Member
Been offered a 1801. Don't know the engine condition yet. Been stored in a barn for 5 years they say. Of course it was running when parked.
What would you pay ? Oh and it needs tires it looks like
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This post was edited by nashranch on 09/04/2021 at 06:05 pm.
 
500 knowing nothing else about it, 1000 if
engine is free. 1500 if I'm confident all
it needs is the carb rebuilt and fluids
changed.
 
I'd be all over that thing! It looks complete. The tires don't even look too bad. Take a fresh battery over and a gallon of gas and see what happens. If it fires up take an air compressor over when you pick it up.
 
Put your best mask on and offer $600. Rear tires are going to be about $1500 unless you can find a good used pair. Thought you weren't going
to buy any gas rigs?
 

Your right Arlen, I don't really want any gassers. What makes you think this is a gas tractor??
 
(quoted from post at 09:31:01 09/05/21)Thought you weren't going
to buy any gas rigs?

What makes y'all think it's got a gasoline engine? Picture is not clear on right side of engine so one can't really tell. However, I'm betting from other parts that this is a diesel.
 

Still waiting to hear back from the owner about the engine and tranny type. The exhaust pipe leads me to believe it might be a gasser cuz I don't see a muffler. Yes the picture is c r a p but that's all I've rec'd from the owner. They are asking $900 which is too steep for me. I offered $500 if the engine is not seized. Still waiting for a reply
 
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The exhaust pipe leads me to believe it might be a gasser cuz I don't see a muffler.

Muffler is same for gasoline and diesel. High rise air intake leads me to think it's a diesel. And, although right side of engine is a bit fuzzy, I see more stuff that looks diesel. Furthermore, I can't make out anything that looks like spark plug wires.
 
I edited the pic so it's a bit clearer
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I think i see an injection pump making it a diesel


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This post was edited by nashranch on 09/05/2021 at 09:21 am.
 
After b lowing up the picture, I am going with Larry on this and make believe it is a diesel. Think I can make out what looks like an
injection pump behind the spider condo. Also the diesel can sitting under the bucket.
 
It is a diesel.

Make sure the crankshaft isnt in pieces before you offer any more. It probably has a 4 speed w/ a Sherman reverser transmission in it, BUT if it has the early
cable steering set up, make THEM pay YOU!
 

I see alot of hydraulic lines on the right side of the tractor that concern me. What is all that?? Also it looks like something is hanging underneath the tractor. Wondering what all that is. I plan on going to see this piece of work tomorrow and would like to know a little more about it. Anybody know what i got?
 
I dont see any lines that arent factory- they are coming from the front mounted pump, up to the control valves (hidden just behind the topmost loader frame on
this side), back down to the lift cylinder and tee-ing off to cross under the front of the engine over to the other lift cylinder. There is quite a bit of
plumbing involved in this system- a front mounted pump, a hydraulic tank up in that heavy cast iron nose along with a cooler, a filter, several convoluted and
complicated hard lines and about 10(?) hoses of various sizes and lengths.

Take a camera and get some detailed photographs. The other side and the pad just above and behind the starter where the model ID and serial numbers are stamped.
Bring a wire brush and a light.

You appear to have an early (1957-'60) 1801D. The serial number will nail down the year, if leaking battery acid hasnt obliterated it...
 
I paid $400 for mine back in 1990. Trees
were growing through it. It was a gas
engine. I got it to bring on three
cylinders and crabbed it out to the road.
Rebuilt head and put 31 years on it. Right
now I am rebuilding the engine. Best
machine I have ever had. With a hoe on the
back, I love that machine.
 
I wouldn't be too afraid of the steering.
My pal Kenny has had 2 of those. One was an
diesel SOS that had blown the rear end out
of it. Big chunk of the casting gone. We
parted it out. That one had the later style
steering. A guy in MI bought the complete
steering and front axle.
IIRC the lift arms for the loader on it
were an exact swap for the loader arms on a
4400 he had. 4400 lift arms were busted up,
welded, fish plated. He swapped them over.
The lift cylinders for it are still in a
shed up at my property. Would be glad to
see them gone.
The second one was just the tractor - gas,
4 sp with Sherman combo. It had kaput early
style cable steering for which parts are
unobtainable. Ken grafted a used orbital
motor in the column. Wasn't hard or
expensive to do. It steered very nice then
- two fingers.
 
Heres another for sale in Michigan for price comparison. It has the later style steering. Like yours it >...ran good last time I used it...<


Not sure if the moped and torpedo heater are part of the deal!
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1801
 
My neighbor and I went and saw this beast of a tractor today. It is very heavy duty and very impressive. We jumped the starter off my rig and the starter just grunted. We were able to turn engine over with a pipe wrench on the front hyd. pump hub up front. There is not much clearance up there to get much of a stroke on the engine but it did move a little. I pulled dipstick and found a full crankcase of diesel. Better than water i guess. It has a 4 speed with a lever on the side the guy said was a hi lo lever. It has no PTO but it does have a very heavy CASE Hydraulically operated PTO on back along with a 3 point down cylinder. Like i said very heavy duty.
Looks to me like diesel from the fuel tank has leaked thru the injection pump into he crankcase. Tires are in good condition, not cracked probably cuz it's been in the barn for years. It needs a new seat also but that's expected. Looks like a fun project for the Nash Ranch
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This post was edited by nashranch on 09/06/2021 at 02:29 pm.
 
Sounds like an 1821. A bad seal in the injection pump can fill your oil pan over time.

If the shift lever comes directly out of the bellhousing and has a dogleg appearance to it, then its a combo. If it has an intermediate linkage between the shaft
sticking out of the bellhousing and the lever, its a reversing type.

Any more pictures? How about the serial number or the steering type?
 
I regret not getting any pictures today...too busy yakking I guess. I would call it a 1821. I Wire brushed the flat spot under neath the battery and could not read any numbers, Good ole batt corrision. Like I mentioned the was full of diesel clear up to the top of the dipstick. I'm really intrigued with the hydraulic 3 point setup and PTO unit on the back of it.. all that alone would be worth the 600 i'm gonna offer them. On the left side of the tractor there was several hundred round pecker pole chunks so you had to climb over the wood to even access the starter to jump it. Hopefully they accept my offer.

Oh and it had power steering not the cable type steering.

I saw no oil on the dipstick just clear diesel fuel.

This post was edited by nashranch on 09/06/2021 at 06:25 pm.
 
It looks much better tires aired up and outside. I see the exhaust rain-cap is in Transport Mode, make sure you rotate it 180 degrees before operating!
 
The tractor made it into the shop of Nash Ranch yesterday. I drained approx. 8 gallons of dieseloil mix. The engine would budge a little pipe wrench on the crank hub. So yesterday i removed rocker cover and pulled all 4 injectors, then squirted my concoction of ATF and Acetone down each cylinder. This morning i hooked up battery to the starter and she cranked over pretty good. I got about 45 seconds of cranking before the battery was zapped. Later on i will crank again to develop oil pressure hopefully
 
With the injectors out, it should spin pretty easy. Count on having that pump rebuilt or resealing it yourself. Good luck on it! I like this kind of project.
 

It turns over good with my 16 year old Deka battery out of my 2006 Kubota BX 24. Think I'll check compression today
 

Decided to remove the heavy cast iron nose cone to clean the surrounding areas. I'd say the radiator was about 75% plugged up. Bet she was running hot. Never seen one so plugged
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I'm ready to try and start this 4 cylinder diesel, How many cold cranking amps Battery do i need for this beast? I'm thinking at least 800 CCA.
 
Got this tractor running pretty easily. It runs pretty good, the loader works good but the super heavy duty Case unit on back does NOT work. It is powered off the front hydraulic pump for the loader. I'm try to find info on this Case unit by have struckout so far

Amy body ever seen one of these?
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This post was edited by nashranch on 09/17/2021 at 06:18 am.
 
I would carefully trace the hoses from the front pump up to the front loader control valve to make sure there isnt a diverter valve inline somewhere. If it has a
diverter valve then you could manually switch between the two hydraulic circuits, but only one could operate at any time. Maybe you just have to find and move a
lever to get that back hitch to work.

That radiator definitely needed a good cleaning! The presence of a large (leaky) oil reservoir above the radiator and a constant stream of dust and debris being
pulled in and around it by the fan is a recipe for this kind of mess.
 
I have carefully traced the lines and there is no diverter valve. There is a double filter on the return line. I can't imagine that could be the problem. Some the hoses in the back are pretty bad so I'm wondering if the PO might have switched the pressure line to the return line to bypass the system in back

This post was edited by nashranch on 09/17/2021 at 05:34 pm.
 

All working good now. I now need to order all new gages and get several new hydraulic hoses made and it'll good to go. Should make someone a nice heavy duty industrial tractor
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