ford 800 voltage regulator

jmoser

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This message is a reply to an archived post by jollymon on October 27, 2014 at 08:44:23.
The original subject was ford 800 voltage regulator.

Hello, I have been having the same problem as jollymon. I have a Ford 800 with a 12V positive ground charging system. When I start up the tractor, there are almost 16V across the battery (with the correct polarity) and my ammeter pegs out at 30+ charging amps as if there is a dead short in the charging circuit. I rebuilt the generator already and re-wrapped the windings. New brushes, new brush springs, and a clean commutator. It motors just fine and with the correct rotation when I bench test it. The battery is brand new off the shelf today. Connection between ground and voltage regulator casing has good contact. The first voltage regulator I tried burned up exactly the same way jollymon described. Burned up winding around the reverse current coil and the plastic holding the coil bracket melted and smoked. It was supposed to be a 12V regulator for a positive ground system. I put a new voltage regulator of the same type on and took the cover off to observe the points when I start the tractor. The points for the reverse current coil close properly to allow charging, so I know my current is flowing the correct direction and the generator is correctly polarized. However, the points on the voltage regulator coil, which should be vibrating between open and closed to prevent the exciter field from maxing out don't even twitch. They remain firmly closed, so the output from the generator is not being regulated. When I manually open the points of the voltage regulator coil with a plastic brush handle, my ammeter reads zero charging current. It's like the electromagnet in the voltage regulator coil is installed in the wrong direction. I've traced my wiring and checked for any other ground shorts, and I can't find any. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
(quoted from post at 20:15:11 09/03/21) This message is a reply to an archived post by jollymon on October 27, 2014 at 08:44:23.
The original subject was ford 800 voltage regulator.

Hello, I have been having the same problem as jollymon. I have a Ford 800 with a 12V positive ground charging system. When I start up the tractor, there are almost 16V across the battery (with the correct polarity) and my ammeter pegs out at 30+ charging amps as if there is a dead short in the charging circuit. I rebuilt the generator already and re-wrapped the windings. New brushes, new brush springs, and a clean commutator. It motors just fine and with the correct rotation when I bench test it. The battery is brand new off the shelf today. Connection between ground and voltage regulator casing has good contact. The first voltage regulator I tried burned up exactly the same way jollymon described. Burned up winding around the reverse current coil and the plastic holding the coil bracket melted and smoked. It was supposed to be a 12V regulator for a positive ground system. I put a new voltage regulator of the same type on and took the cover off to observe the points when I start the tractor. The points for the reverse current coil close properly to allow charging, so I know my current is flowing the correct direction and the generator is correctly polarized. However, the points on the voltage regulator coil, which should be vibrating between open and closed to prevent the exciter field from maxing out don't even twitch. They remain firmly closed, so the output from the generator is not being regulated. When I manually open the points of the voltage regulator coil with a plastic brush handle, my ammeter reads zero charging current. It's like the electromagnet in the voltage regulator coil is installed in the wrong direction. I've traced my wiring and checked for any other ground shorts, and I can't find any. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
2 positive ground charging system?????
 
https://www.link_disallowed/ABC1164-12-Volt-Regulator?gclid=CjwKCAjwj8eJBhA5EiwAg3z0m-HH2942qQa26f7mVuML8ibTABey1CDuQmOHIykZ5X6bX1wMt2CYVxoCB5UQAvD_BwE

Check out the link. This is the regulator I ordered. The tractor was originally a 6V positive ground, and somewhere along the way, it was upgraded to a 12V system, but the polarity wasn't reversed. And 12V
positive ground regulators seem to be readily available. Yesterday's Tractors looks like they sell one as well. And since the reverse current cut out coil is working properly, current has to be flowing the
correct direction with the positive ground. If I had my polarity reversed, then the BATT terminal on the regulator would be connected to the positive terminal of the battery itself, and current would flow the
opposite direction through the regulator. That would hold the reverse current coil open, and the battery wouldn't charge.
 
Are you using the OEM GENERATOR or did you swap out to a 12V ALTERNATOR? Just because your battery is 12V doesn't mean you are wired correctly for a 12V system -and you aren't. Clue #1: my ammeter pegs out at 30+ charging amps as if there is a dead short in the charging circuit Not a short, just wired wrong. Mucked up wiring is your likely root cause problem. Get out your ESSENTIAL MANUALS and look at how the original 6V/POS GRN system is wired. Compare to JMOR's Pictograms for a 12V system. NO GEN and NO VR! Whichever system and components have, be sure that you use a fan belt tensioner device on the GEN or ALT otherwise you will never charge the battery.

FORD NAA, 600, & 800 ELECTRICAL:
OEM 6V/POS GRN -
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OEM 12V/NEG GRN w/3-WIRE ALTERNATOR:
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FORD 600/800 ESSENTIAL OWNER/OPERATOR/PARTS/SERVICE MANUALS:
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Tim Daley(MI)
 
It's a 12V generator alright, no alternator here. The change from 6V to 12V was done before I acquired the tractor and did include a 12V regulator of the same type I purchased. I have the manuals that you're referencing, and the wiring is all correct. I've been over it dozens of times and had a few outside eyes take a look at it just to make sure. Everything is in order. I've even tried reversing the polarity of the entire system from positive ground to negative ground just to see what would happen. No change. I got exactly the same results. When I hold open the regulator contacts for the field winding, there's no problem. The generator remains unexcited and doesn't generate any significant voltage, so I know there's not a short between the armature and field windings. The voltage across the battery is also still at 12.6V. When I let the field winding contacts spring closed, the generator comes alive and the voltage across the battery goes up to the full 15-16V max that the generator can generate. Which is all exactly what should happen. However, the field winding coil does not engage to vibrate the field winding contact between open and closed like it should so that the voltage and current from the generator are regulated. I should be getting 14ish volts across the battery with a charging current of probably 5-6A at most with a fully charged battery. If it isn't a bad regulator, and it isn't bad wiring, what else could it be? I would be happy to get on a video call with someone to talk it through and see if we can sort it out.
 

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