Figuring out how to start new to me 4400

turodoggy

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Hello,
My friend just purchased a 4400 DS, loader backhoe, with a hard to read serial number. It doesn't currently run, but supposedly runs on ether, when it has a full battery to start it with.
Also the PO knows is that there is something disconnected to the fuel system. I've never seen a Ford tractor up close before to know what should be there or isn't. I'm assuming that there is a fuel shut off somewhere on the tractor, being that is it a diesel (4 cylinder).
I won't see it again until the weekend, but I'm just looking up information to prepare, so I can get it moved.
What I've noticed so far is it looks like the key switch has been replaced with a toggle switch. If that is flipped on, there is a read light on the dash board. This switch was left on for 2 weeks, hence a very dead battery, that I'm charging up now.
I'm trying to figure out where the starter button is, which the PO thinks is the button on the floor, next to the gear selector. It looks like it has a 4F 1R transmission, no high/lo, or secondary gear selector.
The only control is see looks to be the engine throttle on the right of the steering, then the clutch on the left side, and on the right side 2 brake pedals, and a engine speed boost pedal (sorry, I don't know the official name). Then there is toggle switch (key switch is still in place, but not connected), the red light to the left of the engine (which I think is telling me that there is no electrical power being produced because it was never started), and a tachometer.
There are some holes in the dash, so I do assume something is missing.
I was trying to find a picture of this to compare for myself, but I haven't come across one yet.
If anyone can help me figure this out, it will be much appreciated.

Thank you
 
Since it has a 4 cylinder diesel engine, it is not a 4400. A 4400 has a 3 cylinder engine. A 4400 also did not have a starter button down on the top of the trans cover and I've never seen one with a standard 4x1 manual trans either.

You need to get up to around 10 posts or so before this site will let you post picture. Post some pictures of your tractor once you have enough posts to do so and we should be able to tell you what it is.
 
(quoted from post at 21:47:55 08/18/21) There is 2 4400s A 3 cyl and a 4 cyl. There is a lot of difference between the 2.

Shaun, I've never heard of a 4 cylinder 4400. What exactly is it, and when was it made?
 
The PO thinks it's a 65, the model tag is a little damaged, but looking at it, the last 3 numbers are clear 400. The first number isn't as clear but I think it's a 4. In my research, 65 was the change over year, but I don't know enough to date this tractor yet. The front hood looks like it has the round emblem on the top. This has me wondering if it is a 65, but I think the industrial tractors kept this design longer. I'll post pictures when I can, I'm assuming replies count towards that post count?
 
I think you have a 41400 DS four cylinder HD Industrial tractor. It is possible that it's a 1965, they do exist. The DS: D is for diesel, S is for Sherman auxiliary transmission. As for starting the reference below should get you started.

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41400DS makes more sense. As Andy says, that is a 4 cylinder 4000 Heavy Industrial model, and it had a 4 speed transmission with 3 point hydraulics but without PTO when it left the factory. They officially stopped making them in 1964, but a number of supposedly pre-1965 models were made into 1965, and some even longer, like the 2000 offset.
 

Being it has a 4 spd trans with the starter button on the trans top I'd say it's the older 41400
One important thing about those diesel models is the throttle control is also the engine stop, the throttle lever must be moved past 1/4 open before the pumps internal fuel shutoff will open.
It's best the try starting the tractor with the hand throttle lever at lease half open.
You can crank on it till the battery dies with the throttle lever pushed up and it will never fire
 
The 41400 makes a lot of sense.
I was trying to figure out the throttle lever, I noticed it acts a little funny down below the dash board, and being combined with the fuel shut off makes a lot more sense.
Defiantly a lot of information on this board, a lot more than I ever expected already, thank you so much.

How hard are these ford 4 cylinder engines to start on a non cold day? My only old diesel engine experience was an old John Deere, which started easily all year. I'm mostly used to glow plugs.
 
(quoted from post at 18:18:52 08/19/21) The 41400 makes a lot of sense.
I was trying to figure out the throttle lever, I noticed it acts a little funny down below the dash board, and being combined with the fuel shut off makes a lot more sense.
Defiantly a lot of information on this board, a lot more than I ever expected already, thank you so much.

How hard are these ford 4 cylinder engines to start on a non cold day? My only old diesel engine experience was an old John Deere, which started easily all year. I'm mostly used to glow plugs.


First establish if you have fuel being injected. Loosen the fitting where an injector line attaches to one of the injectors. If not work backwards to get the fuel through the line, filters and pump. If you are getting fuel investigate crank speed, and compression. Start button should be on the underside of the horizontal surface below and to the right of the steering wheel. On the opposite side is the preheat button.
 
The throttle linkage was disconnected, preventing from starting, I think on purpose, which no one knew about. The other issue is the key and starter button are bypassed, and the toggle switch that was added in is controlling the starter. I'll have to figure out this so its a little safer to start. A toggle switch held on by wire nuts isn't ideal.
I think this is bypassing some of the wiring, mainly going to the alternator/generator because the red light on the dash is always on. I haven't checked if it is charging yet, I know it doesn't use much power besides starting anyway, not yet anyway. The switch for the lights is missing.
Tach, and the fuel gauge don't work.
I'll have to pull the dash apart because there is a nest in there and I don't see any buttons or switches for the intake heaters.
In fairly good shape for its age, besides the electrical.

I do have one other question, I'm assuming the tachometer was replaced, the one in it says select o speed and that the speedometer is for 10th gear. Would this gauge even work outside the select o speed transmission, at least for the engine speed?
 

Youve bright up a interesting question
Its possible the tach has been changed and any of the tacks with work with other transmissions but the charts will be wrong
Its also possible the tractor has had a transmission swap which would mean the ID numbers are not correct for the tractor

Look below the steering wheel were the dash shroud drops down towards the transmission
Is it smooth or is there a hole in the shroud and 4 bolt holes where a SOS shifter mounts
 

I thought that hole was for a cover that was missing, but there is a rectangle opening, below the steering wheel, that is longer going up and down, than side to side, with 4 holes for bolts.

I figured this was a cover because the power steering isn't working, and I thought it was that someone was trying to fix this.
I guess there was a transmission swap at some point.
 

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