New to me 1963 4000

Just purchased it yesterday. Diesel, 5 speed, two stage clutch, Rest-o-ride seat that was trying to kill me on first ride, already converted to 12V, rebuilt injector pump, I'll have some pics soon. I need to get it to the property so I can bush hog the back acreage. It apparently has the steering column power steering minus the pump, reservoir and hoses. So my question is, because the pump/reservoir setup is apparently unobtanium or stupid expensive, what's stopping me from adapting a pump with the right specs (2.5gpm @1500 RPM or 0.39cu in) and having that function again? The steering is pretty tight. About 10 degrees of steering wheel swing between the wheels nudging standing still. Seems like the pump failed at some point and was then just stripped off.
 
Your idea will work fine. The early ps
pumps were used throughout Ford's
branches. Find an automobile or truck
pump close to the same year and you're
good to go. I gave my brother in law a
65 Fairlane 289 pump to use on his 4000.
Seems like he said he had to switch the
ports but it bolted up and worked fine.
 
I agree with M-Man.
Find a pump and roll your own brackets,
pullys and lines for it.
Would take a bit of tinkering but not too
hard if you're handy.
FYI, That system only ran about 700-800 PSI
when new.
Click the link below for an example from
Rock Auto.
It is definately worth doing. I would cry
if I had to go back to manual steering.
If you do it make a post about it. Others
in the future would find it in the archives
here and follow your lead.
Click Here
 
I'd think that out a little bit before I jumped in. Dog can answer if the steering on your machine is like that on my 2000, and if it is, you may have a problem with that valving in the column, perhaps that's why the pump and lines are gone. If that's the case, you may be looking for other, and even more expensive, parts to rectify the steering.
Curt
 
Good point. I do not know the original failure of the system, so the only way to find out is to try an fix at this point. The good part is I already have some mid sixties PS pumps with pulley mounted so it would be a bracket fab and two custom (or maybe not) hoses.

Good to know 12V was standard on the diesels. Eases the mind on the glow plugs, yet I still am going to have two on the shelf for sanity's sake. This one has been modified with a GM alternator instead of the generator and has a new starter on what looks like an adapter plate. I was also pleasantly surprised that the chin sheet metal is still available. Anything else you think I should grab while they still exist? I have been in the old car hobby long enough to see original parts disappear and even reproductions go obsolete. Should have bought all the NOS Mustang sheet metal I could back in the 80's when it was still plentiful.

It also appears that there's a remote on top of the hydraulic pump case possibly from a 70's model? I'll know more once I get this thing actually in my possession. I do not have a trailer big enough for this thing so that's my immediate hurdle.
 
I would be willing to run the risk of
replacing the pump to see if the rest of
the system works. What I wouldn't be
willing to do is drive it very long without
the pump as there are thrust bearings -
just above and just below - the hydraulic
block in the column that get lubed by the
PS fluid. Those would be pricey to replace
if they got dry and worn out.
I would also go through the column
completely and replace the seals in it.
Also drain the bottom of the steering box,
replace the 90W and adjust the sector
gears.
They are pretty simple and if you get stuck
the guys here can guide you through it.
Those aren't glow plugs per se. All they do
is heat the intake air a little as a cold
starting aid. I found them about as
effective as a little old lady blowing her
hot breath into the intake manifold. If you
live in cold country you are 10 times
better off with a coolant heater. Mine is a
3 cylinder model and if I plug the coolant
heater in for a couple of hours it will
start like it is July.
 
Ah. I thought they were in a weird place. I'm in NC so not like the NE near Canada when I was much younger. Making my list of ToDo's on this thing...


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This post was edited by MountainGoat on 08/05/2021 at 05:06 am.
 
If the pix is your tractor, you are missing more than the pump. It appears to be missing the cylinder to make the assisted steering happen and the rod from steering arm to the spindle arm appears to be missing the hole where one end of the cylinder attaches. Sooo, did this tractor ever have power steering?
 
If it has a power steering column that's all it has
Steering cylinders missing, wrong drag links and wrong radius arms as well as the aforementioned power steering pump
It would be interesting to know if it has the second crank pulley for power steering

This post was edited by Destroked 450 on 08/05/2021 at 08:45 am.
 
Hmm. I will have my hands on the books tomorrow so I'll have some reading to catch up on. The guy that sold it to me said there were three types of PS and this was the column type with nothing but the pump and hoses missing. I know previous owner tall tales abound. In the old truck market, a 360 immediately gets promoted to a 390 even if the engine tag is still present saying it's a 360. I also know this type of tractor is new to me, so educate me as much as you can! It also has some later parts on it like the remote and one front wheel hub appears to be 70's so some 'mutting' going on there. Oh, and the radiator fan is a single bar 'two blade' which I figure is 'half' a fan. A lot can happen in 58 years, and it looks like a lot has.
 
The 4 cylinder 4000 is basically the same as the 801 and 800 series that preceded it, and their power steering systems always used two external cylinders.

The later 3 cylinder 4000 and 4 cylinder 5000 and 7000 models were the first models to have the power steering integrated inside the steering column so that there were no external cylinders and only the pump and the lines from the pump to the steering column were external to the column. And even the 3 cylinder 4000 & 4 cylinder 5000 models started out using external cylinders (but only one each) in 1965 and they switched to the integrated column system in 1970. The 7000 wasn't made until a little later so they always had the integrated system.
 
Take a good close up photo of the steering
column and post it. We'll be better able to
advise you. Meanwhile, don't bother finding
a pump. I think he was pulling your leg on
the PS.
 
Ask and ye shall receive. Looks like a standard column which is a bummer and also a relief as I did not want to be forced into hunting out the PS gear. The guy was right on the two blade fan. He collected the manuals, rewired it and was just generally enthusiastic about the whole thing. I've been into Mustangs since the 90's and I still get some stuff wrong from time to time.

My next question is how does the sheet metal assemble? Mine is currently held together with zip ties and other non-factory stuff. The nose area is what I am asking about. I know the grille has (or should have) some spring loaded wing bolts. Were there PEM nuts in the sheet metal for where the sides and the top center mate or is it just nut and bolt?


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