Seeking help to identify ford tractor

Well Im a new guy here firstly , hope to find the info I am seeking. Let me begin by saying this is the first time I have been completely stumped on figuring out what type of tractor this is.
I own many mostly MF tractors a few Grey area machines and old classic John Deere machines. I recently blind purchased on impulse a ford tractor. Couldnt pass it up for what I have for her lol. The tractor does run and operate good other than a chattering pto clutch disc I believe. So now to my issue...
I believe from what I can tell it is a later model ford 3000 diesel unit it does have the 8x4 trans 2wd but unknown year. I have been over the inter webs trying to decode the numbers on right side bell housing behind starter. No avail at least not for a 3000 series.
Numbers are as follows...
C422151
 
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Tractorguy is correct that is a 1974 serial number. The C at the beginning says it was assembled at the plant in the US.

The serial number only tells us when it was made, not what model it is.

Are there any other numbers near that serial number? There should be two others. They may be obscured by many layers of paint and at least one of them might be farther up in the rough part of the casting making it harder to see.

Also look on the under side of the right side hood panel above the battery. If you're lucky the foil sticker with those 3 numbers, plus a few more, might still be there and still be legible.

The model number for a 1974 diesel 3000 with an 8 speed trans would be either C1012C or C1013C. The 2 or 3 in the second-to-last position is dependent on whether it has live (3) or non-live (2) PTO.
 
You guys are awesome thank you for the promt response , well for once it seems I am in luck haha. After a serious de greasing and scrub down this morning I managed to find and oddly still there the foil sticker under the hood lid.
Tractor number C422150
Model D1414c
Unit 4D04 (can not make out last digitafter 4)
Engine 3L09c
Transmission 3L19b

Going to order clutch kit and steering components next few weeks get it back to operating conditions. It does have a lifter tap pretty loud after 1/2 to 3/4 throttle ...
I have done oil change filters and checked fluids on trans and rear axle already also fuel filter. The oil bath air cleaner was absolutely horrid lol had to scraper about a inch of gunk off the bottom oil container.
 
Tractor number C422150 This is one less than the serial number you posted originally. I assume that one or the other was a typo. It's still a 1974 serial number for a US made tractor.

Model D1414c - D14 is a 4000 Special Utility (4000SU) model tractor. It is not a 3000. The main difference between a 3000 and a 4000SU is the 4000SU has a more powerful engine and a stronger double reduction rear axle with arguably better inboard wet brakes. The second 1 means it has a diesel engine. The second 4 means that it has independent PTO (the 3000 was only available with live or non-live PTO except for those with the S-O-S transmissions). The C at the end means that it has the 8 speed transmission. Most folks who have a 4000SU love them.

Unit 4D04 (can not make out last digitafter 4) - This says that the tractor was assembled on April 4 1974. The last character would be a letter, either A, B or C which would tell us what shift it was.

Engine 3L09c - The engine was assembled on November 9 1973 during the afternoon shift.

Transmission 3L19b The transmission was assembled on November 19 1973 during the day shift.
 
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does your ford 3000 look like this one?
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Identical yes except mine is all blue except white wheels ... Hmm now I am really curious if its a 4000su or a 3000 darn if this dont throw a wrench in things .....
 

Im trying to upload some pics but I keep getting a error saying one or more words go against yt standards ... I have no clue what Imma doing wrong but I am trying
 
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Im trying to upload some pics but I keep getting a error saying one or more words go against yt standards ... I have no clue what Imma doing wrong but I am trying

As I said, the main differences between the 3000 and 4000SU are the bigger displacement engine, which you can't tell from a picture, and the double reduction rear axle. Here is a picture of a 4000 SU rear axle. Notice the fat sections of the axle trumpets that stay fat for a long distance from the center housing:

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Here is a picture of a 3000 reear axle. Notice how the axle trumpet begins to get smaller in diameter very near the center housing:

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If you can't tell from looking at yours which of the two pictures your rear axle is like, post a picture from directly behind your tractor showing the rear axle and we can tell you what it is.
 
With that rear axle it's definitely a 4000SU. It's got the optional differential lock too (pedal near your right heel when you're sitting on the tractor). It's powerful like the rest of the 4000 series and and nimble like the 2000/3000 series. Best of both worlds.
 
(quoted from post at 21:20:37 01/25/21) With that rear axle it's definitely a 4000SU. It's got the optional differential lock too (pedal near your right heel when you're sitting on the tractor). It's powerful like the rest of the 4000 series and and nimble like the 2000/3000 series. Best of both worlds.

Well that being said I am solo glad I came here for the wisdom and insights. Thank you all so very much! Now if you guys dont mind I have another question. To my understanding this tractor has the hydraulic independent pto.. When I get into heavy overgrowth with the bush hog (i am in 3 gear low range and even 2nd low at times) the pto will makes a chattering noise loudly ...
I just replaced the outer pto seal and all new c clips on shaft with new bearings. (I removed the outer plate and had whole shaft out) I made sure the brass ring was in place it all slid back together nicely no issues. (I may add also the chatter noise was present prior to doing that repair)... I would like to replace clutches but with so many Imma finding I am unsure what to look at. My shop isnt the best standards but want to have parts here before I split the machine
 
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Yea that's a 4000SU for sure, I love mine.

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Let me ask you a question on the 4000, Imma told this is common on these engines but would like another opinion.
After about 3/8 to half throttle there is what I believe lifter tap .. I have pulled rocker box off and checked cold and at operating temp for clearence between valve and rocker arm all seems within spec. I am running all new fluids and filters. Rotella 15/40
Also instaled a mechanical oil pressure gauge and it is steady 25 psi idle warm and 30ish at half throttle... Is this noise really a common thing?
 
Have you checked for any slop in the external PTO driveline between the tractor and the mower, and the mower itself, for a possible cause for the chattering noise? If it has a slip clutch on the shaft then it might just be that slipping under heavy load.
 

The noise could be a injector issue, Id pull them to be pop tested
Is that oil pressure hot or cold, it should have 60-75 psi cold, 40-45 hot at pto speed and 20-30 hot idle.
 

Sorry yes that was a reading when at operating temps.
Thinking of justbreplacing all 3 injectors as I have noticed a "miss" on idle kinda reminds me of a 2 cylinder johndeere aka the Johnny popper. Need a rocker cover gasket too Imma finding.
The bush hog does not have a slip clutch. Straight shaft with sheer pin. I watched (and stopped immediately) when I got into saw grass about 3 foot tall it put a alight load on engine and when I heard the chattering noise I raised the 3 point and the pto shaft began spinning at 540 again. I purposely attempted again but watching the pto and sure enough here came the chattering and the pto shaft slowed as well bush hog.
Im not very familiar with a hydraulic independent pto.
 

Either the clutches are worn and need replaced which requires a split or the pump pressure is low, this could be the pump which is a separate part of the hydraulic lift pump or there's excessive leakage in the lines or valve controlling the clutches. If the aluminum support become badly worn oil pressure will be lost around the sealing rings.
Unfortunately other than removing the lift top to check components some every repair requires a split between the trans and axle to gain access.
 

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