Can a Ford 19-551 (backhoe) be fitted on a Ford 1841?

MysteryFarms

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I found a Ford 19-551 (Ford "Backhoe, Basic 15' Series 755) and the guy is only asking $1k. My Ford 1841 has a loader bucket, PTO, 3 point hitch, and runs like a champion!

I would like to upgrade my tractor with a backhoe, and while I understand the Ford 713 is correct backhoe for the 1800's series - the low price of the 19-551 is making me wonder (if I could weld a bracket to fit this) could this work on this tractor?

I'm new to tractors and unsure how the 713 and 19-551 differ in functionality and fit.

If not, where would be some good places to find a 713?
 
You need around 10 posts or so before this site will let you post pictures. Does the hoe come with the subframe for the tractor that it came off of? If so, it would be easier to make brackets for the subframe to mount to the tractor than to make completely new mounting brackets for the hoe itself. The subframe would help protect the main castings of the tractor from as much abuse also. The 755 was originally designed for the 4500 which was a much more stout tractor than your 1800 series, and it was designed to be mounted using a subframe that distributed the stress of operating the hoe so as not to provide too much stress on any one spot on the tractor itself. That 755 is a digging machine and if it is not properly mounted and braced to the 1841 it could stress the castings of major components to the point of cracking.

Since the 4500 was physically larger (wider and longer) than the 1800 series you need to measure first whether the subframe would even fit properly between the rear wheels (I suspect it would with the rear wheels dished all of the way out but it will still probably be too wide to match up with the holes in the axle where the fenders mount, which is where it mounts to the rear axle on the 4500) and not be too long to where it might interfere with the steering (if the 1800 still has the original cable steering then that might be an advantage, but it would still have the radius rods which the subframe might interfere with.)
 
Sean,

Thank you for your response!!! I don't believe it has a the subframe mount, as the seller states it "mounts to frame" and it came off a 65' tractor. I'll see if it'll let me link the ad (it sounds like I'm better off searching for the stock backhoe anyways as I don't want to break this bad boy) which has pictures. - NOPE, tried and I get that spam warning.

Well it's located on Facebook Market place (in Franklin, NH) under "Back hoe Frame mount" 1k if anyone cares to do a bit of digging and is looking for this type of backhoe.

This is my second tractor (the first was a 9n) but my first with a loader and some actual HP. I'll be using it around my homestead, I'm still clearing land and developing my fields. Finding a backhoe would help me with SO many projects here, is there a site you might recommend for finding a 713?
 
This is how it attaches.
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Thanks Mike!! So it looks like there are long clamps on each side: I'm assuming they are the Subframe (Sean was talking about?) that mounts to the actual tractor frame - correct? Also, is that a hydraulic input hose on the top?



A side question for you, I've got a friend with a set of chains that will fit my wheels (or so he says). However he's telling me that I need to find spacers because the 3-4 inch clearance between my wheels and the wheel guards are too close. It looks like your tractor has even less clearance than mine (on the right side) do you have any issues running chains? Did you have to modify anything to run chains?

I'm a straight newbie, so if these are dumb questions please excuse me!
 
(quoted from post at 09:06:29 12/28/20) Thanks Mike!! So it looks like there are long clamps on each side: I'm assuming they are the Subframe (Sean was talking about?) that mounts to the actual tractor frame - correct? Also, is that a hydraulic input hose on the top?



A side question for you, I've got a friend with a set of chains that will fit my wheels (or so he says). However he's telling me that I need to find spacers because the 3-4 inch clearance between my wheels and the wheel guards are too close. It looks like your tractor has even less clearance than mine (on the right side) do you have any issues running chains? Did you have to modify anything to run chains?


I'm a straight newbie, so if these are dumb questions please excuse me!
Ya those are for the subframe and those are for the hydraulic lines. The tires chains for these tires were tight (backhoe). After I took these off, they haven't gone back on. The tractor we use to plow snow, those chain fit just right with the new tires (these are a size bigger). The old smaller tires that were bald, the chains were lose but never fell off. They are kind of a pain to put on, but it is easier to put on with chain binders. I don't have issues driving around, but I don't drive the tractor that much until it snows or the ground is hard because the chains tar up the ground. When using the chains on the road, they will wear out faster. I didn't have to change anything on the tractor.
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This backhoe subframe is also part of the front loader frame, so it is not an easy swap and may not fit.
 
Ok, gotcha! I'm in Maine so I'm hoping to use it all year long: I welded two eye brackets in my bucket which hold a snow plow mount. It works pretty nifty, I can angle the bucket whichever way I go. I'll upload some pictures once I get a few more messages in (I guess they limit newbies).

Is that first picture the same tractor as the other two? If so, that subframe really adds some mass to the thing huh.
 
(quoted from post at 07:27:40 12/29/20) Ok, gotcha! I'm in Maine so I'm hoping to use it all year long: I welded two eye brackets in my bucket which hold a snow plow mount. It works pretty nifty, I can angle the bucket whichever way I go. I'll upload some pictures once I get a few more messages in (I guess they limit newbies).

Is that first picture the same tractor as the other two? If so, that subframe really adds some mass to the thing huh.
That is the current backhoe. The current backhoe was a ford 4400 8spd, gas with 3 pt and pto, which is now a Ford 4500 with 8spd 3 pt and pto. This is the old back tractor base which had a diesel Ford 4500 4x4 torque convertor trans. These photos are from when we took the 4500 with 4x4 torque converter trans apart. We played wish bone with it to get the loader off. The 4x4 motor went onto a different tractor (the one with the snow plow, chains and chipper). That sub frame doesn't add that much weight. The rear end isn't really on the ground if there is weight in the bucket. The old tractor drove like a couch and the 8 spd drove less like a couch, but was light in the rear end.

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