redbull

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I'm thinking the 5000 and 7000 use the same engine block, if so what would I have to do to a 5000 to have the same horsepower as the 7000. I'm guessing there's a difference in the head and pump plus the turbo. My 5000 has a turbo, I'm thinking about an engine rebuild as soon as
hay season is over and I would like to get it to where it will handle a 10 foot discbine next year. I know its small but I think if I can get it to around 90 horespower it will handle it. I've been using a NH 489 for years and it handles it well. I like mowing with this tractor and I would rather beef it up than to buy another one. If anybody knows if I can do this and what I need to do I would appreciate the information Thanks.
 
To make a true 7000 (engine wise), in addition to the turbo, larger injectors, and turned up pump, you also need different pistons (lower compression ratio) and drilled connecting rods to cool the underside of the pistons. This should be done if you want reliable 90+ horsepower day in and day out. Then there's the larger radiator and fan needed as well. The stock 5000 cooling system will not handle 90 HP on a hot day.

The valve seats in the head are at different angles as well, but to me it's not worth messing with.
 
I'm not trying to rain on your parade but, we tried pulling a 1411 discbine with the neighbors 7600. It got hot. He has since put a new radiator and fan shroud on it. However, we have never tried it. Other neighbor has a TL100A that we have used. It also gets a little too warm. A 1411 in good thick hay will pull fairly hard. We use a TS115A and a TW25. Keep in mind we are going around 3 to 4 mph.
 

I pulled a 411 for a number of years with a Ford 8240 at 96 HP. It was plenty most of the time except when climbing hills.
 
I had a similar experience with a 7610, even though the radiator was as clean as I could get it before I started mowing. I finally had to pull the radiator completely out and spend about 1/2 hour with a pressure washer on it. That took care of it.

7600/7610 radiators are very dense and have staggered fins. They cool very well when they're clean, and not so well when they're plugged.
 
I love the Ford 5000, we used to crank 80 hp out of them, using an M&W turbo. But; I'm afraid that what you are trying to do will just ruin a good tractor.
 
we use a 7000 to pull a new holland 9ft discbine with flail conditioning. 5th gear w/18.4x34 tires. Pulls very hard and burns a lot of fuel. If radiator is clean and you run 2000 rpm, then all is well. higher rpm, higher gear, dirty radiator, then tractor gets hot quick. this is our experience. make your own judgement. If you run this combination, then share your experience.....I'm interested to know what happens. Don't ever think a new holland haybine and discbine pulls the same.....I've learned this lesson the hard way. Thanks.
 
Since I'm going to rebuild the engine anyway will a 7000 overhaul kit work in my engine. Exactly what do you mean when you say I would have to drill the rods to help cool the pistons ? I know there is a difference in pulling a haybine and a discbine but my 5000 will mow all day in forth gear using NH 489, I just mowed some Johnson grass that got way to big because of all the rain we've had and it blowed the smoke but went right on through it, it was taller than my head setting on tractor. I don't know how much hp it is making but I'm sure its below 80 because I have a 81 horsepower JD and I know its less than that. I'm liking your comments and would like more. Thanks
 

First what year is your 5000?
65-68 models had the smaller bore 233 engine, I don't think it'll handle that job even with a turbo.
The later models had the 256 engine which will get you in the 85 hp range and be dependable.
It would be best if you could find a 268 turbo engine off of a 7610 along with the appropriate radiator.
Keep in mind the turbo engines are also plumbed to a oil cooler in the radiator to help control oil temps.

I have the same basic plans for my 6600 row crop but will running a 9 ft discbine.
I like NH balers but for a discbine look at Krone or Kuhn.
 


Think of it this way: A ten foot mower conditioner cuts and crimps at better than twice the speed of a sickle bar moco, correct? This is work that is getting done. If you were told to stack three times as many bales per hour on a wagon behind a baler as you used to how would you be feeling in ten minutes?
 
I have a 7200 with a stuck engine... from sitting up/out... where are you located? I would make you a deal on the whole tractor. It would take an engine rebuild, but all the right parts are there....I can throw in a bucket of parts from another tractor if you want a challenge. :roll:
 
That might be the most expensive way to go but still might be interested. Tell me what you can about the tractor, tires, transmission, sheet medal,
etc. Price. I am in Va where are you. Looking forward to hearing from you. Roger Shively
 
(quoted from post at 07:47:23 09/11/20) I have a 7200 with a stuck engine... from sitting up/out... where are you located? I would make you a deal on the whole tractor. It would take an engine rebuild, but all the right parts are there....I can throw in a bucket of parts from another tractor if you want a challenge. :roll:

Wait! What! Ford 7200! Where?
 
You interested in a WF 5200 gasser?
Near Cotopaxi, CO.
Needs engine work.
That's all I know about it.
$3K?

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Near San Antonio, Tx so the distance would be great... unless your coming this way with a trailer. It set out side all its life and someone let the exhaust fill with water.. so its stuck!! Head is off and cyls full of oil, and about everything else, and its still very very stuck... So it would be have to have the pistons pressed out and start over with the block.
 
I have a 5000 with an M&W turbo on it and no way would I put it on a 10' discbine except in a dire emergency. Running that kind of power demand for extended periods of time it gets very warm. Bigger radiator would help but also oil temps climb up there.

For reference I've pulled a 12' sickle haybine with it no problem, a 9' discbine worked its guts out.
 

The major power requirement of a discbine is the speed they can operate at, a neighbor pulled a 9ft discbine with his 3930, he just drove slow like he did with his old sickle bar haybine, he did get a bigger tractor later.
Just saying you can operate a discbine with a smaller tractor, you'll just have to drive slower.
 
Operating discbine at sickle bar speeds negates the major benefit to the discbine. At 3mph you woud be better with a sickle machine and burn half the fuel you would covering the same ground with a disc setup.
 

Don't take any more fuel to operate a discbine at 3 mph as it does a sickle bar haybine at that speed, plus you don't have the issue of plugging the bar so you'll get done sooner even traveling at the same speed.
I point is if one wants to upgrade to a discbine but don't have a big enough tractor to operate it at speed just slow down a gear or so and let the tractor do what it can, dropping back to a 9ft machine may let the tractor work a little faster.
I like a 9 ft machine for traveling between farms, oncoming traffic isn't as much of a issue.
 
I'll disagree on the fuel consumption. My 5000 pulled a 12' NH 499 mower with relative ease and sipped fuel mowing 5 acres per hour. Same tractor with a 9' discbine drank fuel like no other pulling the same speed and was lucky to cover 4 acres per hour.

The load on the tractor was very noticeable on the boost and pyrometer gauge when running the discbine. More load = more boost = higher EGTs = more fuel consumption.
 

Sounds like there was something wrong with that discbine if it was pulling that hard.
I went from a 7ft sickle bar to a 8ft drum mower to a 9ft disc mower, my tractor does use a little more fuel due to the wider cut and faster gear I now run in, but we're talking around 1/2 gallon per hour and cutting more acres per hour. These were all cutters with no conditioners but conditioners take the same about of power (fuel) to condition the same volume of hay per hour, no matter what type of cutting bar it has in front of it.
 
We can just agree to disagree. I can assure you there is nothing wrong with the discbine haha.

As an aside my neighbor is out mowing with a 45hp kubota and a NH 499 12' haybine. That 45hp tractor wouldn't power my 12' discbine in anything more than lawn clippings at a snails crawl if you were lucky.
 

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