1964 Ford 4000

LarrySTN

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I recently purchased a 1964 4000 Diesel SOS, my question is this, was there a designation for Rowcrop vs Utility for the 1962-1964 tractors similar to the later tractors ie 4100 vs 4200? Just curious? The engine runs great and starts easily in cold temperatures (although the injection pump governor is poor responding). The trans works well in all 10 forward and 2 reverse speeds, the weird thing is park is hit or miss even when the engine is off. The tractor is very straight.
 
The model number stamped into the flat spot will start with 4120 for an ag chassis model and 4110 for a row crop model
 

Time for a band adjustment.

It's been a bit since I looked at 'em, but I believe your row crop SOS is a 42205 whereas my All purpose SOS is a 41205. Were they deluxe SOS (2 speed and ground speed PTO) the last three digits would be 206.
 

Your park situation is normal. Once the transmission is warmed up it will go in almost instantly. Before that you had better use your wheel parking brakes.
 
(quoted from post at 07:35:07 05/16/20)
Your park situation is normal. Once the transmission is warmed up it will go in almost instantly. Before that you had better use your wheel parking brakes.

I don't believe that is correct. An S-O-S transmission should go into park instantly when the engine is shut off no mattter what position the gear selector is in. He is saying that it doesn't go into Park sometimes even when he shuts it off.
 
(quoted from post at 06:35:07 05/16/20)
Your park situation is normal. Once the transmission is warmed up it will go in almost instantly. Before that you had better use your wheel parking brakes.

Don't think you read his post very carefully. "the weird thing is park is hit or miss [b:13cb5c5d90][color=red:13cb5c5d90]even when the engine is off[/color:13cb5c5d90][/b:13cb5c5d90]. "

Besides which, his tractor does not having parking brakes on the wheels, unless someone added them.
 
Are you saying that the tractor will coast, even with the engine shut off? Even with cold oil it should be in a no coast situation in 5 seconds or less!
 
The 4000 is 42206 model, which I assume would mean 4200? The bands have been adjusted and still the park is hit or miss. If I operate in 5,
6, 7, or 8th gear and go directly to park, then park works, any other gear selection then to park, park will not engage even with the engine
off (including hours later) I'm a little puzzled. I am not new to SOS transmissions, I pulled a baler with an 881 as a young kid, bought a
6000 at 14 years of age, rebuilt the engine and very thorough trans rebuild at 15, sold the 6000 at 16 to buy my first car. Later I
purchased a 1968 5200 SOS with a cab. Eventually sold it and used the money to buy a Deere 4020 powder shift.
 
(quoted from post at 19:40:46 05/16/20)

Band 2 is not applying other than when it's already applied in 5,6,7 & 8. Since it's spring applied, and is known to work, I'm wondering if something is trapping oil in it to keep it released.

This is just a wild guess, but I'm wondering if there's something wrong with your sequencing valve. Usually when the little pin breaks or drops one loses 5,6,7 & 8. But maybe this time . . .
 
(quoted from post at 06:06:36 05/16/20)
(quoted from post at 06:35:07 05/16/20)
Your park situation is normal. Once the transmission is warmed up it will go in almost instantly. Before that you had better use your wheel parking brakes.

Don't think you read his post very carefully. "the weird thing is park is hit or miss [b:04b64d7ebb][color=red:04b64d7ebb]even when the engine is off[/color:04b64d7ebb][/b:04b64d7ebb]. "

Besides which, his tractor does not having parking brakes on the wheels, unless someone added them.


I bet that his '62-'64 4000 came with wheel brakes, and yes, my 971 will creep a little on a slope after shutting off when cold and in park. I adjusted the bands a year or two ago, and they needed very little adjustment.
 
The 4000 is 42206 model, which I assume would mean 4200?

A 4200 was a row crop model in the 1965-1975 3 cylinder 4000 series, but the model number would start with 420 or D20.

Does it have a 4 cylinder engine or a 3 cylinder engine?

A 4 cylinder 4000 cannot have a 2 as the second digit in the model number. The second digit was only ever a 0 or a 1. If it is a 4 cylinder 4000 then 42206 is most likely the serial number, which would make it 1 1962 tractor but doesn't tell us anything about which options it had or whether it was a standard ag or row crop chassis when it was new.
 
All speeds work as they should with the engine running (even under load) park works (usually) if I shift from 5,6,7,or 8th speed meaning if
band 2 is already applied, park usually works. Park never works if I shift from any other gear selection to park and shutting the engine off
after using selector r1-r2 and 1-4 9&10th, park never works, this what I find weird, especially since the transmission operates flawlessly
during every shift.
 
(quoted from post at 05:51:15 05/17/20)


I bet that his '62-'64 4000 came with wheel brakes,

That's not what i said!!! I said his tractor [color=red:7b420ec62b][b:7b420ec62b]did not come with parking brakes on the wheels[/b:7b420ec62b][/color:7b420ec62b]

and yes, my 971 will creep a little on a slope after shutting off when cold and in park.

And that's not what he's saying!!! There's nothing at all about [color=red:7b420ec62b][b:7b420ec62b]creep a little[/b:7b420ec62b][/color:7b420ec62b] is his post!!! If you read carefully you'll find out that he says it still rolls sometimes 2 to 3 hours after shutoff.
 
(quoted from post at 05:35:43 05/17/20)
(quoted from post at 05:51:15 05/17/20)


I bet that his '62-'64 4000 came with wheel brakes,

That's not what i said!!! I said his tractor [color=red:af8926c6ef][b:af8926c6ef]did not come with parking brakes on the wheels[/b:af8926c6ef][/color:af8926c6ef]

and yes, my 971 will creep a little on a slope after shutting off when cold and in park.

And that's not what he's saying!!! There's nothing at all about [color=red:af8926c6ef][b:af8926c6ef]creep a little[/b:af8926c6ef][/color:af8926c6ef] is his post!!! If you read carefully you'll find out that he says it still rolls sometimes 2 to 3 hours after shutoff.


E a s y, e a s y, Larry don't have a heart attack. I missed those three words in parentheses.
 
(quoted from post at 11:26:44 05/17/20)


E a s y, e a s y, Larry don't have a heart attack. I missed those three words in parentheses.

Yeah! i think there's a lot you missed on this one. Next time read and understand what's being said before sticking your foot in it.
 
(quoted from post at 11:46:25 05/17/20)
(quoted from post at 11:26:44 05/17/20)


E a s y, e a s y, Larry don't have a heart attack. I missed those three words in parentheses.

Yeah! i think there's a lot you missed on this one. Next time read and understand what's being said before sticking your foot in it.

Larry, thank you so much for straightening me out! I have learned now to never disagree with your view of any issue. Certainly you have never missed a word in reading anything, but I will try to return the favor just on the outside chance that you do in the future. I don't think, however, that I would be able to do it in quite the manor that you have.
 

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