ford 3000 model number

Hello, I am new to this site and I hope someone can assist me with some info. I have just bought a ford 3000 tractor and when I went to look up the ID numbers the model number stumped me. The model number started with SU and was followed by 3000, I haven't been able to find any info on a model like this in the 3000 series. Any help is surely appreciated.
 
What are the production and serial numbers? Also, is there a foil sticker on the underside of the right side hood panel up above the battery? If so, post the numbers from that sticker.
 
The foil sticker under hood numbers from left to right

model C10 13 B production 2M22B
trans 2M21B rear axle 2M18B
hyd pump 2M07B last hyd # 2M05B

these are the #s as they appear on foil tape
 
Your model #
C = Model 3000
10 = Ag All Purpose
1 = Diesel
3 = Live 540 PTO
B = Transmission Type (the table I am looking at doesn't show a B)

Your Production #

2 = 1972
M = December
22 = Manufactured on 22nd
B = Day shift
 
It's crazy trying to find some of these Id's, but I'm going to keep going till I do. I don't understand why they marked the cast behind the starter with a SU .
 
I know this tractor and a lot of it's history. I got the tractor at a good price I think at 2500.00 with a 5 foot bush hog. I am going to try and give it the love cosmetically it needs and use it as it should be used. Cleaning tools and machines after using is a must.
 
JoeM not trying to argue as I have been wrong before but I do believe it represented a 8 speed tranny. I am new to this tractor as in owning one but am used to machinery. Any help is greatly appreciated and received as such, with much thanks for anyone who gives their time to assist me.
 
JoeM, I went back to the tractor and the decal is definitely an eight speed decal. I am waiting on a starter, which should be here tomorrow so I can bring it home then I can check on things without having to drive a half mile to get info.
 
(quoted from post at 19:00:07 04/14/20) JoeM, I went back to the tractor and the decal is definitely an eight speed decal. I am waiting on a starter, which should be here tomorrow so I can bring it home then I can check on things without having to drive a half mile to get info.

The model number foil sticker under the hood (C1013B) says that when it left the factory it was a 3000 ag chassis tractor with a diesel engine, live PTO and a 6 speed transmission. I was thinking that "SU3000" stamping on the trans was done by a dealer when they replaced the transmission, and since it has an 8 speed shift pattern decal on the dash it was most likely changed out to an 8 speed. Does the main shifter actually shift into all 4 forward gear positions as well as the reverse position? If so then the transmission was definitely switched out from a 6 speed to an 8 speed at some point.

Does the "Tractor Number" on the foil sticker match the serial number you found stamped near the starter? The dealers were supposed to stamp all 3 numbers onto a new transmission if they replaced the trans, but since they switched to a different trans maybe they didn't want to stamp the original model number since it wouldn't have the correct information for the transmission, but they didn't want to stamp it with C1013C (same tractor with an 8 speed trans) since that wouldn't match the foil sticker.

Also, I'm curious (just since it had "SU" as part of that stamping), what kind of brakes does it have? Are they drum brakes with the linkage from the brake pedals going to the back sides of the wheel hubs, or do the brake linkages go to rods that go into a fatter part of the axle housing in near the center of the tractor? I'm just wondering if they swapped out the rear axle at the same time that they swapped the trans, and the rear axle is a 4000 series style, hence the "SU" in the stamping.

Some pictures would be appreciated.
 
(quoted from post at 16:00:07 04/14/20) JoeM, I went back to the tractor and the decal is definitely an eight speed decal. I am waiting on a starter, which should be here tomorrow so I can bring it home then I can check on things without having to drive a half mile to get info.
 

Sean in PA, ok I misread the final letter and it is a P not a B but there still is no P listed. I have brought the tractor home and it does have a eight speed tranny. But the P on the foil doesn't match the SU in front of the 3000 on the front of the tranny behind the starter.
 
Sean in PA
these are the pictures of the tractor

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(quoted from post at 15:33:04 04/15/20)
Sean in PA, ok I misread the final letter and it is a P not a B but there still is no P listed. I have brought the tractor home and it does have a eight speed tranny. But the P on the foil doesn't match the SU in front of the 3000 on the front of the tranny behind the starter.

No such thing as a P transmission code on a 3000 series tractor, so it must be a B. As I said, the most likely thing is that the original 6 speed transmission has been replaced by an 8 speed, and the dealer that replaced it mis-stamped the 8 speed. That is a regular 3000 series rear axle, so that is what you have, a 3000 with a diesel engine, live PTO and an 8 speed transmission. The majority of the tractor was assembled on December 22 1972 and the transmission was swapped in later. Since the dealer mis-stamped it we will never know what they meant by "SU3000", unless you can find the dealer mechanic that stamped it that way and ask him. No need to worry over the details that you can never know.
 

That's a European model, turn signal switch, left side parking brake, wide foot boards, probably had the fenders changed at some time.
Trans code P is for the 7 spd Euro trans, has the same shift pattern as the 8 spd but 4/8 gear is locked out in high range.

new old SU tractor: post a photo of the numbers on the clutch housing behind the starter and see if the match the hood decal.
 
OK, looks like more than just the transmission has been replaced.

The serial number stamped into the transmission is a European serial number from the Antwerp Belgium assembly plant. As Ultradog pointed out, that turn signal switch next to the steering column is from a European made tractor, which agrees with the serial number stamped into the transmission. and I just noticed in your pictures that it has a European style grill with the inset headlights, which also agrees with the European serial number, but that grill is from a x600 series (like a 2600/3600/4600), which were made from 1975-1981. There were two different grill designs for the 3 cylinder thousand series that were made from 1965-1975, and both of those are two piece designs and that grill in your pictures is definitely the one piece design from a x600 tractor.

From your pictures, I also see the 3 cylinder thousand series style mode selector handle for the 3 point, so the hydraulic lift is from a 1965-1975 thousand series, so I would assume that the rest of the rear axle is as well.

So the grill doesn't match what the sticker under the hood says and the transmission doesn't match the sticker either, but the rear axle appears to.

The sticker under the hood says that the right side hood panel is from a 1972 3000 that left the assembly plant with a 6 speed transmission. You have never said what the "Tractor Number" is from that sticker. The Tractor Number on the sticker is the serial number. Does it match the serial number that is stamped into the transmission?

And can you post the large raised casting number on the right side of the engine block (should start with C5NN or C7NN or D0NN or something like that), and similar raised casting numbers from the transmission and rear end center housing? Maybe we can at least get a consensus of when the majority of the components of the tractor are from to be able to say what it mostly is.
 
(quoted from post at 21:27:29 04/16/20)
<img src="https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cvphotos/cvphoto1763.jpg"> Destroked 450 this is a pencil etching of the cluth housing #s

I enlarged those numbers, it's hard to say if the first is a S or 5, we'll assume a S, the U is a D, two of the zeros are nines, this is what I'm seeing
SD3990 or 5D3990, have no idea what they stand for but I've seen other Euro models with odd code numbers and one with no model number stamped on the trans.

The production date of Dec 22,1972 on day shift is the same in both places making me think the trans and hood tag match.
A in the serial number confirms it was built in Antwerp, Belgium.

The Euro 7 speed and 8 spd have the same shift pattern with 8th gear locked out on the 7 spd, the shift decal looks to be a original design and I don't know if there was a separate 7 spd decal.

Put the high/low range shifter in high, then see if you can shift the main stick into 8th gear, if it won't go you have the 7 spd trans, fit it will go into 8th more than likely someone has gone in a removed the lockout plunger. Other than the lockout plunger the 7 and 8 spds are the same trans.
 
To everyone who has helped with this model Thank you. I have concluded the model stamped behind the starter is SD3000 the model on the foil under the hood is C 10 13 P , build info is 2M22B, tranny info is 2M21B rear axle info 2M18B, hyd. pump info 2m07B and the last info the foil was torn so I don't know what it is but the # is 2M05b. Thank you again and in the end I don't think there is a way to solve the discrepancies, so as one of you has wisely stated "there is no reason to concern myself with what I can't find out". I am happy with what I have and am on a journey to see just how much I can improve the condition of this tractor.
 

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