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Ford 3000 diesel hard start

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Lmbaunack

03-27-2020 10:27:10




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66 Ford 3000 diesel with Simms injection pump. Recently adjusted top end, new regulator, switch, batter, replaced all fluids, flushed radiator. When starting, even with thermostart, it puffs a lot of white smoke and won't start. If I spritz starter fluid it cranks right up and runs very well, strong, no smoke.
Thoughts on why it's so hard to crank? I'm not sure how to adjust the Simms injectors but it seems that it would run rough if the timing was off?

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Lmbaunack

03-28-2020 07:02:37




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 Re: Ford 3000 diesel hard start in reply to Lmbaunack, 03-27-2020 10:27:10  
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I did put a DB starter on it. Noticed a tiny leak of fuel under on the bottom fuel inlet on the fuel pump. Tightened it up some more and ran great. Tiny bit of air made a huge difference.
I put a new VR on and it showed battery charging then 30 min. Later the light came back on. Not sure how good the generator is. It was all original Lucas.
Any thoughts on an alternator? Also need to redo the 3pt lifts. The left lift arm is bent slightly and binds up with the box blade on sometimes.

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Texasmark1

03-29-2020 07:01:11




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 Re: Ford 3000 diesel hard start in reply to Lmbaunack, 03-28-2020 07:02:37  
Figure on a reversed instrument panel as the tach feed from the gen vs alt is opposite. I have 3 Fords, 1 with the alternator. ebay has new, full instrument panels for around $80 free shipping. Work great. I have a new one on my 3000 Gen, and 3910 Alt, both different part numbers as they turn in opposite directions and 0 RPM is on opposite sides of the tach......other thing they do is to make an old tractor look and feel (teddy bear cumfort) like a new one.

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Texasmark1

03-29-2020 07:09:47




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 Re: Ford 3000 diesel hard start in reply to Texasmark1, 03-29-2020 07:01:11  
On the 3000 I bought it at about 3600 hrs in April, in Texas and the seller had to use ether to get it to light off......missed that little cue that I had big problems. In thinking it was a starting RPM problem, It had a 4" Lucas and the manual said diesels need a 5" (diameter). So in went a new 5" plus I went to an OTR Truck dealer and bought a 925 CCA, 31 series-⅜" studded terminals, and had them make me up a pair of 00 cables....one reason was because on a 31 vs OEM Ford, the terminals are on opposite ends vs same end on OEM......result still hard starting.

Drilled a port in the intake manifold with a pipe plug and shot ether in to get it going. Finally decided an overhaul was needed. I did it and that was that. The root cause of the problem was that the PO ran it without the hose connecting the air filter to the intake manifold and ruined the top end with dust and dirt....the top compression ring slots in the pistons were totally wobbled out requiring new pistons and all.

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Al Baker(pumpman)

03-28-2020 06:51:35




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 Re: Ford 3000 diesel hard start in reply to Lmbaunack, 03-27-2020 10:27:10  
I have changed a few "hard starters" here on my farm over to gear reduction style units. These new starters spin much faster and cost pennies compared to the old style new. I am sure they are made in Chinanabackastan, but what isnt now days. I installed 5 new starters here this late fall and every tractor starts much easier. One needed to be plugged in if it was below 40. Now it will start down to about 25. I had the original starter re bushed and new brushes. Installed larger cables with solder on ends with bigger batteries. It still started hard. I thought it was time for engine repair until I read a post about these starters. I bought one for my 4000 and I believe it cost like 119 bucks DB Electric out of Tenn. I dont think you will be disappointed. Al

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hurleyjd

03-28-2020 06:13:55




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 Re: Ford 3000 diesel hard start in reply to Lmbaunack, 03-27-2020 10:27:10  
A lot of times after doing every thing that you think might help, then get a new starter.There are some out there that spins the engine much faster than the OEM one. Had the problems with a 4630 and a 4610 new starters problem solved.



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Texasmark1

03-28-2020 06:09:52




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 Re: Ford 3000 diesel hard start in reply to Lmbaunack, 03-27-2020 10:27:10  
Check compression. Diesel needs heat to ignite fuel mist and that comes from compression. White is water or condensation, cold surface......when you need heat to bust the fuel.



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Destroked 450

03-27-2020 16:58:53




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Have you checked or changed the oil in the injection pump latest?



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Destroked 450

03-27-2020 16:57:48




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 Re: Ford 3000 diesel hard start in reply to Lmbaunack, 03-27-2020 10:27:10  
Cold start button should have posed out as soon as the engine started or as soon as you gave it throttle, I always open the throttle on mine before starting the engine, once it fire I push the throttle back to a high idle.



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nashranch

03-27-2020 16:18:09




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Your welcome! What i did when cold i would push button.. you'll notice it snaps in and locks. Then after tractor is running i would pull the kill knob briefly and that would make the cold start button pop out. I think it would do it eventually but i made it happen sooner.



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Sagerider

03-27-2020 16:11:15




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 Re: Ford 3000 diesel hard start in reply to Lmbaunack, 03-27-2020 10:27:10  
That cold start button is a very interesting bit of information, never had a clue. Thanks!

I thought that perhaps low compression might have something to do with it. My unit shows no evidence of blow-by nor does it use oil now that the valves are 100%. So a block heater or either shot looks to be the thing to do perhaps.



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nashranch

03-27-2020 13:54:05




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 Re: Ford 3000 diesel hard start in reply to Lmbaunack, 03-27-2020 10:27:10  
I had a 65 ford 3000 a while back that was a hard starter so i pulled the head after low compression check and found broken top compression rings on two of the three pistons so i replaced rings, honed cylinders and put it back together with new head gasket. That was a fun job and was valuable experience but it did not help the starting of the tractor one bit. Mine did not have the thermostart glow plug so i added that, did not help in the starting. Down the road somebody told me about the cold start button on injector pump kill lever so i would push that in to start it which did help a bit. I could eventually get it started but it didn't want to, Finally i Sold the tractor. Long Story, lotta fun times and valuable experience. Pictured is that cold start button on the Simms

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Sagerider

03-27-2020 12:36:18




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I have a 1967 model that I just had the head rebuilt, valves, springs and valve guides installed. I also installed new fuel injectors which was the initial problem, wet stacking. Fuel not atomized due to old injectors and raw fuel draining down out of the the vertical exhaust pipe, a real mess. Just started summer before last, I repaired it last summer.

The new injectors did the trick and the valves needed to be redone so it worked out. I also had the Simms injector pump replaced two or three years ago as well. It starts fine but needs some help from a shot of either down the air intake specially when it is 40 F degrees and lower outside. I have heard that a hair dryer will work placed in the air intake hose to warm things up a little. A block heater will also do wonders for starting Diesel engines in colder climates like up here in Montana. Day time may be a high of 40 degrees F but night time temps drop into the teens and below. I have an in-line hose heater that works well but the either is what I use most.

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Lmbaunack

03-27-2020 12:36:03




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Was changed last week with engine oil. Bled entire fuel system up to injectors also. Each appeared to be spitting fuel in sequence.



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