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Will it fit easily?

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docmirror

12-10-2019 20:01:58




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I just about wore out my steering gear on the 8N. I have a Wagner loader and bucket on there, and as we all know, it's not made for that stress. I do light bucket work, and some easy grading.
I found a Ford 840 about 1956. It has the optional power steering, with the belt driven pump up front like an old Falcon, and two hyd rams on the sides.
According to my buddy at tractor shop, the Wagner model III(hyd tip bucket, down pressure main rams) can be unbolted from the 8N, and bolted on to the 800 series with no welding, bending, etc. He said if I'm unlucky it won't have the spline drive on the crank snout for hyd drive but that can be installed in a few hours.
I want to do this easy, because I won't have a welder or torch handy where I do the swap. Also, it's going to be winter, and up in the mtns, so may have some cool weather and light snow, so I want this to go slick as possible.
Will it fit easy? Anyone done it from 8N to 840 or 860?

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docmirror

12-11-2019 13:08:43




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 Re: Will it fit easily? in reply to docmirror, 12-10-2019 20:01:58  
Yup, found it. Got all I need except some hardware. I'm all set. :D



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Hobo,NC

12-11-2019 12:03:41




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 Re: Will it fit easily? in reply to docmirror, 12-10-2019 20:01:58  
https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/store/model_parts.cgi?SearchArea=Ford&&md=800&cat=Hydraulic%20System&r=mcats



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Hobo,NC

12-11-2019 12:02:37




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 Re: Will it fit easily? in reply to docmirror, 12-10-2019 20:01:58  
Look under.

Ford 800 Parts

Category: Hydraulic System



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docmirror

12-11-2019 11:29:43




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 Re: Will it fit easily? in reply to docmirror, 12-10-2019 20:01:58  
Wow, this is perfect info. Thank you a million.
Working off page 10 of the print, my loader did not come with angle brace #33, so I made my own. Lucky for me, I made them about 3" longer than needed, so I will have to drill holes once I get it lined up to fit the 840. I should have enough material on both sides to get it fitted.
Working off page 11 of the print, I will need the spline hub, bolts and shaft to switch over from my current 8N hardware. I'm sure I can get that here on this site.
May not be perfectly plug and play, but not bad enough to slow me down. I notice one other slight change from the print to my loader. The print shows two plate bumper behind, and below the hyd bucket ram. My until has one plate, but is wider than those two plates. I'm pretty sure this was just a running alteration, and has no factor in the functioning of the unit on either chassis.
Perfect info, and very helpful.

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Hobo,NC

12-11-2019 05:08:43




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 Re: Will it fit easily? in reply to docmirror, 12-10-2019 20:01:58  
I know it will mount to a 600 series a 600 is 3 to 6" longer I don't remember the exact number. Look at your rear mount you will see its longer than it need's to be for a N unless someone cut it off...
On the front bracket the only difference would be where it fits over the axle pin retaining bolt. I would wager it will be a EZ swap have a drill and some new hardware on hand...
As far as the loader pump drive you would need to research how the pump drive mounts to the 800 front crank pulley and what style they use.
https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1391027&highlight=pulley

Like a N it needs a different front crank pulley retaining bolt its been a long time since I have been there memory is somewhat lost... Other than these two issues it should be plug and play...

https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1102458&highlight=pulley

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Kirk-NJ

12-11-2019 01:01:49




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 Re: Will it fit easily? in reply to docmirror, 12-10-2019 20:01:58  
Here is the print out of the pages of the wagner 3 loader You will have to drill holes in you front axle carrier. You will need the adapter that bolts up to the front pulley (not the same as what's on your N tractor). The frame for the rear has different holes for mounting on the later style tractor.I should mention that the correct size bolts must be used to mount the adapter to the pulley.

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Kirk-NJ

12-11-2019 01:08:26




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 Re: Will it fit easily? in reply to Kirk-NJ, 12-11-2019 01:01:49  
Lets see if this is clearer



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docmirror

12-10-2019 20:57:51




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 Re: Will it fit easily? in reply to docmirror, 12-10-2019 20:01:58  
Thanks guys. That's what I was thinking as well, but didn't know the particulars. This makes sense. There would be no reason to have the same chassis geometry as the 8N. Before I drop coin, I'm going to take some specific measurements of the rear fender mount, and the distance from the three bolt front lower mount back to the fender mount.
It looks like I'm going to have to figure out something else.

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strum456

12-10-2019 20:38:34




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 Re: Will it fit easily? in reply to docmirror, 12-10-2019 20:01:58  
If memory serves, the 8n is a little narrower between the fender bolts, which are also used for the rear high lift brackets; plus the wheelbase difference.



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Sean in PA

12-10-2019 20:32:51




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 Re: Will it fit easily? in reply to docmirror, 12-10-2019 20:01:58  
The 840 has a longer wheelbase than the 8N, so I doubt that the mounting points would be the same distance apart.
Many loaders from that time frame could be mounted to different tractors but you needed the correct mounting brackets for the tractor you were mounting it to. But to be sure, measure the mounting points on the 8N and write them down and take them with you along with a tape measure when you go to look at the 840 to be sure.

The "unbolted from the 8N, and bolted on to the 800 series with no welding, bending, etc." might be true if you have the proper mounting brackets for the 800 series, bit I don't think that's going to work with the 8N mounting brackets. If you have time and some fabrication skills you could probably modify the existing brackets or fabricate some new ones.

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