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Five position light switch

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Bern

11-06-2019 12:18:33




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Does anyone have the operating instructions handy for a 5 position light switch used on an English 5000? The owners manual that I have only shows the push-pull switch. I'm trying to get an idea of what each of the 5 positions do. I have a student trying to get all of the lights working for me on our donated 5000, and he is a little puzzled as to all of the various positions. So am I.

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Destroked 450

11-06-2019 18:38:36




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to Bern, 11-06-2019 12:18:33  
Looked back in my 89 parts book and found two switches for A-B suffix models

C7NN-11654-B for UK models

E7NN-11654-AA for Europe models

But no reference as to which is 4 or 5 position.

Modern search crosses them all to E7NN-11654-AA which I believe is a 4 position switch.

With E7NN being a 1987 design date I looked in my 10 series manuals and found this.



Since I don't have side or rear tail lights the only thing that comes on in position 2 on mine is the dash lights but it looks like I got the other 3 positions wrong.

No reference if the dash lights stay on in position 5

I think if one positioned the switch with the flat in the mounting threads clock the same as when installed the wiring post may line up like in the photo, once you find the hot post the rest can be ohm'd out.

Note in the photo the reference to -600 series tractors, maybe someone has one of those operators manuals.

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Bern

11-06-2019 21:13:09




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to Destroked 450, 11-06-2019 18:38:36  
I think that picture you found is as good as it's going to get. I have no reason to believe that a 5000 would be any different. I just never thought to look for something like that in a service manual. That kind of info rightly belongs in the owners manual.

Thank you Destroked for all of the work you put into this. I really do appreciate it.



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dopp creek

11-06-2019 16:41:05




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to Bern, 11-06-2019 12:18:33  
What's the first letter in the S/N? I have a breakdown in my service manual I can send to you.



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Bern

11-06-2019 17:07:51




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to dopp creek, 11-06-2019 16:41:05  
"B". What I was really hoping for was an image from an owner's manual that shows the 5 positions and what functions they serve. I didn't find that in my scan of the service manual.



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dopp creek

11-06-2019 17:23:26




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to Bern, 11-06-2019 17:07:51  
My 5000 operators manual describes a push-pull switch. My 8000 manual describes a three position rotary switch. I tried to raise Brian from the UK a couple months ago but no reply so he probably isn't available to help.



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Destroked 450

11-06-2019 14:42:17




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to Bern, 11-06-2019 12:18:33  
My manual calls for a 15 amp fuse, don't think a 5 amp will operate very many lights.



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Destroked 450

11-06-2019 14:38:45




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to Bern, 11-06-2019 12:18:33  
It's been a long time since I wired mine and it's the four position switch but here's how it should work

postion 1 = off

position 2 = instrument panel lights

position 3 = side and rear tail lamps

position 4 = low beam head lamps

position 5 = high beam head lamps

Wires in you photo

13 = red = switch to side and rear tail lamps

14 = blue/red = switch to low beam

15 = blue/white = switch to high beam

16 = red/white = switch to instrument panel lamps

28 = brown = power from fuse to switch

the rear work lamp and warning flashers are connected to the brown power wire at the switch, each light has it's own switch

I did a little creative wiring on mine and ran extra wires to the rear.

On the road I switch to low beam which also turns on the flashers.

In the field I switch to high beam which also turns on the rear work lamps.

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Bern

11-06-2019 17:08:55




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to Destroked 450, 11-06-2019 14:38:45  
Thanks Destroked! I'll share that info with my student. It should help a lot.



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Sean in PA

11-06-2019 14:23:04




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to Bern, 11-06-2019 12:18:33  
Missed a split in the wire from that last terminal, It also goes to the license plate illumination bulbs.



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Sean in PA

11-06-2019 14:22:00




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to Bern, 11-06-2019 12:18:33  
According to the wiring diagram for the A and B prefix thousand series (unfortunately the terminals aren't numbered), one terminal has a brown wire coming from the hot terminal of the key switch through a 5 amp in-line fuse so it is hot all of the time, and that terminal has a second brown wire that goes to the rear implement light, which has its own switch in the lamp housing. Going clockwise from there (in the schematic at least):

Next terminal has a red wire with a white stripe going to instrument panel illumination bulbs, and if it has an S-O-S transmission it also has a red wire going to the speed selector illumination bulb.

Next terminal has a blue wire with a white stripe going to the high beam side of the headlights.
Next terminal has a blue wire with a red stripe going to the low beam side of the headlights.
Last terminal has a red wire that goes to the tail and side marker lights.

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Bern

11-06-2019 17:11:33




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 Re: Five position light switch in reply to Sean in PA, 11-06-2019 14:22:00  
I don't think it's safe to say that going clockwise in the schematic is comparable to going clockwise on the key switch. Hopefully someone will come up with something from an owner's manual that will confirm.

The switch appears to be original, and it has terminals numbered 1-7. I wish they would have linked that in the service manual.



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