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Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000

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Thelumberwagon

10-04-2019 07:30:42




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I've got what I believe to be a 1965 Ford 3000. It doesn't appear to have many options (4 speed, no live PTO etc). In addition to mowing with this tractor, it would be nice to be able to move gravel and dirt, nothing too extreme. Just trying to make my rig more versatile.
Is it possible to fit a loader on this tractor? If so, what loader should I be considering. It might take me some time to track one down if it's possible. "Luck favors a prepared mind" so if I know what to look for, I might stumble upon the right one.

My tractor doesn't have any hydraulic connections to run a loader so how would a fella power one? Should I also be looking for a pump that would be driven by the PTO? And if so, is there a specific one I should keep an eye out for?

I'm frequently in rural areas with my job and drive by a lot of farms with old equipment deteriorating in pastures. With a keen eye, I might just see one that I could inquire about.

Thanks guys.

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jc3612

10-15-2019 15:02:21




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jc3612

10-15-2019 14:56:48




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
I have a Massey Ferguson loader I ll try and attach some pics or if not email me jgchap02@yahoo.com







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TinCan

10-12-2019 15:38:53




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
Crap, didn't work. Pat



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TinCan

10-12-2019 15:38:11




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
It looks like this Ford 335.
Pat

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TinCan

10-12-2019 15:36:01




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
Lumberwagon, I tried to e-mail you but you don't list one.
Someone just put a loader on FB last night. I don't remember witch one, but he said it would fit a Ford & a.......Massy? it looks like the yellow one Ultradog posted. He was asking $600.00 or offer for it. I didn't look at it, because I don't have the funds as usual. It also has the front pump & drive for it.
Pat



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Jeepjeepster

10-12-2019 13:10:36




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
Ive got a 75 3400 and recently bought a 730 loader. Ive yet to get it going but it needs all new hoses, which is going to cost a fortune.



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da.bees

10-08-2019 08:53:05




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
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Reversible is nice,,,,,,except those with a trip rope instead of handle. Those will wear you out,attached either direction.[/b]



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lastcowboy32

10-07-2019 12:29:07




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
The other weak point for using a tractor and loader too much for the type of digging meant for bulldozers, earthmovers and payloaders is the tilt ram on the loader.

Lots of times, when you're digging with a loader, you need to have the bucket tipped out a little, and the tilt ram (or rams) are extended a little.

If you have solved the traction issue, now the tractor has lots of traction against those extended rams, and they often suffer the consequences.
A three point hitch scoop doesn't have rams to get beaten up.

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lastcowboy32

10-07-2019 12:23:27




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Yeah...there is a reason that bulldozers are bulldozers and tractors are tractors...

I bet we've all been guilty, at some point in time, of mistaking a tractor with a loader for a bulldozer. :-)



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gears

10-07-2019 11:52:13




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
I have a reversable rear scoop (Linebach line) on my 9N and it is much better for digging than the 60" bucket on the front of my 3400 - I have the kids make me a pile with the back bucket (digging in reverse) and I go scoop the loose stuff up with the FEL3400 and put it where I need it. Trying to dig with the front bucket and I dig in too much and spin the wheels.



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lastcowboy32

10-07-2019 08:59:18




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
So... traction... that's all I'm saying. If you put a loader on a 2WD Ford 3000, be aware that traction, without some kind of modification will be seriously lacking. If you're working on solid, dry ground, you'll be OK.
My brother has used a JD 1520 2WD as a loader tractor for years. It's similar to a Ford 3000, maybe a little heavier built. He solved the weight issue by using loaded tires (with water and Calcium salt) and making a three point hitch adapter for the suitcase weight rack off of the front of his IH856. With that, he can put 1000 pounds of weight on the three point hitch. He also has chains.

With loaded tires, a thousand pounds of weight on the 3point hitch and chains? It's a little beast.

The weak point then becomes the front end. He has replaced his wheel bearings and spindles a couple of times over the years even though he is very consistent with keeping them greased. What wore on them the worst was "picking rocks" during planting season, when the tractor would be driven across the meadow for hours at a time with us walking in front of it throwing rocks in the bucket.

Dirt and rocks are heavy, ferrying buckets full of rocks across soft ground was tough on the front end.

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Thelumberwagon

10-07-2019 08:57:43




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
I like the idea of the rear scoop from an economical standpoint. I found one locally for 150.00. An old Dearborn. I'll look into that and maybe make an offer on it. I think it will accomplish everything I need to do.
Thanks for the advice guys



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Ultradog MN

10-07-2019 10:43:10




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-07-2019 08:57:43  
I had a Dearborn scoop for a while and moved a lot of dirt behind a 2N that was my first tractor.
Then I found a Ford scoop and like it much better. Primarily because the Ford scoop is reversible and the Dearborn unit was not. I use the Ford one for a carry all as much as any thing - chainsaw, gas, tools, chain, 40 gallon sprayer tank, mulch, etc.
It's much better for shoveling into/out of by hand too.
The Dearborn will do a lot but any brand of scoop that's reversible one will do much more.

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lastcowboy32

10-07-2019 08:43:50




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I have a Ford 3000 with no loader. I used to have a Ford 4000 with a loader.

Neither of them had loaded tires; but the 4000 had some tire weights, maybe about 450 pounds on each side.

The 4000 was a much heavier machine than the 3000, and even so, the idea of "moving" dirt or gravel with it mostly consisted of me shoveling the dirt into the bucket and using the tractor to ferry the dirt... sort of the equivalent of a 50hp wheelbarrow.

Plowing snow was similar, without chains I could push snow to the edge of the driveway; but once it made a pile, you couldn't really push into the pile and move it back without spinning.

The long and short of it is, these tractors aren't weighted for loader operation. Ford did make similar industrial tractors; but they were often tractor/loader/backhoe rigs.



Now... I also have a little 28hp Jinma 4WD with a loader; which isn't nearly the tractor as either the 3000 or 4000, but it had far more traction with the loader than the 4000.

You can solve that by having a backblade, or loading your tires, or by making a weight thingy for your three point hitch (a friend of mine stuck a three point hitch bar through a barrel and then filled it with concrete.

I have nothing at all against these tractors. I still have the 3000 with no loader, and it's a GREAT tractor for raking hay, tedding hay, pulling hay wagons, even running the baler or haybine in a pinch... but with a loader on it, it would be a very nice powered wheelbarrow with very little traction, and if I added enough weight to give it traction, I would be loading its frame down to the point of stressing it. The front end especially.

I would almost bet that you could get more work done with a backblade and a three point mounted scoop, unless you absolutely need to lift and pile dirt.

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Thelumberwagon

10-05-2019 08:18:42




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
Ah...good advice Ultradog. I'll consider the back scoop. I've seen them but didn't know if they were really that great. I just need to work on some crossings and do some grade work. A back scoop would be much more economical too.

Thanks



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Thelumberwagon

10-05-2019 04:57:43




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
So if I'm understanding everyone correctly, a 772 is what I'm keeping an eye out for. Would the pump come with it or should I be keeping an eye out for that separately? Is there a particular pump I'd be looking for? You guys imply the pump is fairly easy to mount, I just have to mod the grill...right?

Thanks



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Ultradog MN

10-05-2019 06:13:53




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-05-2019 04:57:43  
There are other loaders that will fit your tractor. The 730 and 772 are just two that I have some experience with.
I think the 770 will also fit - I think.
As for powering the hydraulics there are several ways to do that. Easiest is to simply buy a remote valve that bolts directly under your seat. That option is not real robust however as it uses the onboard hydraulic pump (located Left rear corner of the engine) and that pump; while providing enough power only produces about 4+ GPM of hydraulic flow.
The best way is by means of a seperate hydraulic pump which is run off the front of the crankshaft. I think those produce about 10+ GPM but are more complicated to learn about and install.
Lastly, as you stated, you can use a pto driven pump - which serves well but that setup makes it so you can't run anything else off your pto.
FWIW, I have had several loaders over the years but have always gotten rid of them. I get by just fine with a boom pole for lifting stuff, a rear dirt scoop for digging and hauling dirt and a back blade - all of which fit on your 3 point and are easily removeable. No, they are not as good as a loader - even all together. But a loader does make a dreadnaught out of your otherwise nimble tractor too so consider that.

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Fordfarmer

10-05-2019 09:21:52




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Ultradog MN, 10-05-2019 06:13:53  
A 727 would also fit - its basically the same as a 772, but older. Both of those may have mounts for a 4000, or even a 5000, rather than a 2/3000, so it still may call for some fabrication. I'll agree about a loader turning a handy, nimble tractor into a dreadnought. The solution, if the budget allows, is a modern, quick attach loader. I have a Westendorf TA26 on my 4600, and really like it. On or off in less than 5 minutes, with no tools.

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Ultradog MN

10-05-2019 17:01:58




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Fordfarmer, 10-05-2019 09:21:52  
Yes.
You have a great loader.
Would like that type too. Probably cost more than I paid for my tractor tho.
Speaking of loaders;
I wouldn't do this combo myself but it is interesting.



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Fordfarmer

10-05-2019 20:22:18




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Ultradog MN, 10-05-2019 17:01:58  
I saw a 4200 with a wide front and a loader listed for sale a week ago. PTO run pump, and a gasser. I bought my loader new, something like $5500 if I remember right. Sometimes you can find a good used quick attach with the right brackets... usually 1/2 - 2/3 new price.



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GB in MT.

10-04-2019 17:23:37




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  


The Ford 772 is a nice loader. Fits well with the 3000 I have. also has the hydro's fluid, loader. (located inside of the rt. side loader frame.)

Easy to run a front pump to the front end hook-ups!!

I was lucky to have one of the members here on YT, locate and send me the complete manual for the 772 loader.

ANOTHER pic. of my Ford 3000, with loader attached:



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Ultradog MN

10-04-2019 12:03:52




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
A couple of models I know will fit are a Ford 730 and a Ford 772.
The 730 is kind of a bear to put on as the main frame has to go on in one piece. You definately need a hoist or stout tree limb to do it.
A 772 is pretty easy as the main frame is made of two side frames that one man can heft each side on alone.
Here are a few photos.
The yellow one is a 730. The blue one is a 772.

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Ultradog MN

10-04-2019 12:04:57




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Ultradog MN, 10-04-2019 12:03:52  
One more of the 772.



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cdmn

10-04-2019 10:59:26




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
Keep an eye out for an older Massey Ferguson loader. Made by Davis. Very stout. I have a
Westendorf TA26 which I like. There are many to choose from. My smaller MM tractor has a
Schwartz loader. I used to own a Ford 3400. That was a good combination, but had welds and
cracks. You will have to cut away part of your grille to install a pump. So you may want to find a spare one to sacrifice. In the old days, a pump could be mounted onto the PTO drive, but
that is awkward and won't work when the pto stops.

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gears

10-04-2019 09:29:16




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 Re: Fitting a loader to a Ford 3000 in reply to Thelumberwagon, 10-04-2019 07:30:42  
with a torch, welder, and basic skills you can adapt anything.

Personally, I put a 776A loader onto my 3400 (same as your 3000 without the adjustable front end).
I can tell you the early Wagner 8/9N/NAA loaders are too narrow to fit over the sheetmetal of your 3000



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