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Restored Ford 3000

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Dean

09-27-2019 13:39:46




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Today, I attended the Franklin County, IN antique tractor show which is probably the best such show in my area.

AC was the featured brand, was well represented, and there were not many Fords aside from the, now almost ubiquitous V8 powered 8Ns. FWIW, one such 8N was powered by a 60 HP V8, a very tidy, though even less useable, conversion.

The most well restored Ford that I saw was a late model 3000, as evidenced by its plastic grill. This one was VERY well restored and obviously a trailer queen. It had the 4X2 transmission, PS, and a single (TISCO) remote. Surprisingly, it did not have PA rims, though all 4 tires were new.

This one was a gasser, as were most (all) of the non-prior 4000s that I saw.

I took a close look at the carburetor, expecting to find a Zenith but did not. It was equipped with the OEM Holley, and the Holley looked to be new as did the rest of the tractor, aside from the bead blasted surface. Sadly, the owner was not around while I was there, so I could not speak to him.

I do know that a well established CNH (Ford), but now mostly Kubota, dealer dominates this area and has done so for decades. I also know that this dealer still has at least some of it's long term employees. Could it be that someone nearby knows how to overhaul the Ford tractor Holley carburetor?

Sorry, UD, but I just couldn't resist.

Dean

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sotxbill

09-29-2019 06:35:57




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Dean, 09-27-2019 13:39:46  
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Taken directly from your article.

But no one knows for sure if his glamorous life was why he failed to join the ranks.

For instance, there are several incidents which suggest that Wayne really wanted to enlist himself. On one occasion, Wayne applied to join the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of CIA, according to US National Archives records.

Though Wayne got selected to the Field Photographic Unit, he never learned about his appointment. His acceptance letter from the OSS Commander, William J. Donovan, was mistakenly sent to his ex-wife who never told him about it.

Wayne c. 1965

Which coincides with John Wayne's previous statements per the article. SO, who you gonna believe? The article, or the article. Cant have it both ways.

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Hobo,NC

09-29-2019 06:12:48




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Dean, 09-27-2019 13:39:46  
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Yes you need to understand how the accelerator pump circuit works and confirm it.
Next confirm the accelerator pump check valve is operating as designed.

Proper fit of the valve body gasket is a must it may take a little trimming for proper alignment. I have made my own gasket its no biggie but not one of my favorite things to do. That dang float is know to leak a new float may be the best option BTDT I have had my float out 3 times I must have sealed it the last time BUT have a new one on hand if I need to go there again.

I got a good education on my first Holley I about wore it out removing it and taking it apart. The price of a replacement was why I kept at it in the end it was not the carb the issue was low compression : (...
On the vacuum advance if it does not work set throttle to full adjust timing to total and move on with life...
A home made soda blaster does come in handy when dealing with a Holley... I thought Dawg fixed a Holley I remember selling him a kit...
A stuck accelerator pump is just a hurdle you have to overcome...

If you mess with any carb you will find one that will eat your lunch you just have to say at it... It can become a marriage BTDT ...

Thanks for the info you have provided your issue is willing subjects they are hard to come by :wink:

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RayJohnson

09-29-2019 05:55:06




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Dean, 09-27-2019 13:39:46  
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https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/john-wayne-the-duke.html



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Steve Brussell

09-29-2019 04:50:46




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Dean, 09-27-2019 13:39:46  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeDraft dodger? I guess you don t know much about him. He was 34 when WW2 broke out. Tried to enlist but he couldn t get by the physicals because all of his injuries. Did more for this country then most.



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Steve Brussell

09-29-2019 04:49:37




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Dean, 09-27-2019 13:39:46  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeDraft dodger? I guess you don t know much about him. He was 34 when WW2 broke out. Tried to enlist but he couldn t get by the physicals because all of his injuries. Did more for this country then most.



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RayJohnson

09-29-2019 04:06:14




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John Wayne the draft dodger?



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sotxbill

09-28-2019 07:21:54




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Dean, 09-27-2019 13:39:46  
Funny as I get lots of holleys come through and they usually run OK.... But the ones that dont, I find the "power valve" or "accelerator pump" frozen and rusted in place due its position in the lowest part of the bowel. And a little water bubble, well guess where it sits. Trying to free the valve usually ends up breaking it,, so a Chinese knock off is installed.



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Dean

09-28-2019 08:20:23




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to sotxbill, 09-28-2019 07:21:54  
Agreed, Bill.

I'm a fan of the Holley but the accelerator pump must work properly for the carburetor to perform as intended (as must the vacuum advance). If the pump is badly corroded, and one needs to get things going in short order, the most cost effective solution is replacement with a Zenith.

FWIW, the Holley is quite economical when functioning properly because the accelerator pump/power valve allows tuning the engine leaner in normal operation. The accelerator pump prevents stumble upon tip in with the lean mixture. Without the pump, the engine would need to be tuned more rich for normal operation, resulting in reduced economy.

Yes, there is a price to be paid for the increased sophistication of the Holley as compared to contemporary MS, Zenith, etc., models.

Sure liked that restored late model 3000 that I saw at the show.

Dean

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JK-NY

09-28-2019 06:40:29




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Dean, 09-27-2019 13:39:46  
I have owned for 25+ years a 3 cyl 4000 gas tractor . I found that a rebuild kit like TSC or Tisco sells is quite generic and lacks quite a bit of what is needed to do a good rebuid . The kit from a NH dealer that supposedly has everything including parts for the accelerator pump iwas over $100 when I checked 7-8 years ago and not stocked. I opted for a Zenith carb from this website and have been pleased with it.

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TGP

09-27-2019 14:59:44




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Dean, 09-27-2019 13:39:46  
My Ford 335 industrial (3600) still has the Holley Carb.

I rebuilt it once or twice (in 25 yrs.) Runs very well,.

Use it every week mowing.

Tom



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Dean

09-27-2019 15:17:05




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to TGP, 09-27-2019 14:59:44  
I, too can rebuild the Holley, Tom, and have done so.

Not everyone has the patience.

Dean



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Ultradog MN

09-28-2019 01:15:02




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Dean, 09-27-2019 15:17:05  
No offense taken Dean.
There are some things I'm willing to do. Rebuilding a Holley, learning to overhaul an SOS or restoring an 8N are not some of those things.
I'd rather do something interesting. Maybe reread Tolstoy's War and Peace.
I'd at least feel I had gained something of value when I was done :)



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Dean

09-28-2019 08:12:20




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Ultradog MN, 09-28-2019 01:15:02  
Sorry, UD. I did not mean to imply that you did not know or could not learn how to overhaul a Holley Fort tractor carburetor.

Just wanted to dig you a bit for your hard line stance.

Dean



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Dean

09-28-2019 06:08:33




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Ultradog MN, 09-28-2019 01:15:02  
Interesting that you mention Tolstoy. War and Peace is on my reading list but I've not yet started it.

Dean



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Ultradog MN

09-28-2019 18:25:15




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Dean, 09-28-2019 06:08:33  
You should email me your number.
Be fun to talk about that book - or others.
Or tractors - even if they're Orange.
Mine is always open in classic.



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Dean

09-29-2019 07:47:18




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Ultradog MN, 09-28-2019 18:25:15  
YT email sent.

Dean



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woodbutcher

09-29-2019 03:47:06




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 Re: Restored Ford 3000 in reply to Ultradog MN, 09-28-2019 18:25:15  
We watched the movie. It was good. John Wayne wasn't in it, though.

Butch



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