Ford 4000 from Croatia

Dirk Pitt

Member
Hi.
Im from Croatia and I recently finished restoring my Ford 4000 that I bought a year ago. Here are some pictures and I have some questions regarding the problems Im facing after restoration.


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1. After complete engine overhaul I have a few oil leaks that I need advice on how to fix them, tomorrow I will upload pictures of them so i don t have to explain them now through writing.

2. Can I turn the exhaust manifold for 180 degrees and put the exhaust pipe through the hood because the exhaust is not good by my standards as it is now, the pipes are to long, to flexed and to small of a diameter. In original it was probably horizontal and over time someone through DIY made it vertical.
 
Yes, you can run your exhaust vertical through the hood but I don't see a hole in yours. Did you fill the hole in when you did your body work? I assume a horizontal exhaust will not work for your application.

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You did a very nice job restoring your 4000.

On a side note, my grandfather was from Stolac and my girlfriend's family is from Opatija. Unfortunately I do not speak Croatian, something I regret to this day. [/img]
 
(quoted from post at 22:11:34 05/26/19) Yes, you can run your exhaust vertical through the hood but I don't see a hole in yours. Did you fill the hole in when you did your body work? I assume a horizontal exhaust will not work for your application.

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You did a very nice job restoring your 4000.

On a side note, my grandfather was from Stolac and my girlfriend's family is from Opatija. Unfortunately I do not speak Croatian, something I regret to this day. [/img]

I know I can run exhaust verticaly but can it be done with the same exhaust manifold as horizontaly but just turned 180 degrees?
There is no hold on the hood, I will make one, because it was probably factory horizontal exhaust model.

Good luck with learning Croatian, they say it is one of the hardest languages to learn. :wink:
 
The factory hole in the hood is surrounded by a bead to strengthen the hood and prevent cracks. Here's a couple of photos. Vertical exhaust on a 70-ish 4000 in the boneyard and horizontal exhaust on a 1968 4000 which is similar to yours.
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Howdy Dirk,
Welcome to the Ford board.
How is Mr. Cussler doing these days?
If you see him tell him I enjoyed
several of his novels.
Beautiful job on the tractor!
Some random thoughts:
I see the new style tach drive on what
appears to be an old style block.
Is a threaded adaptor available over
there? I have not seen those here but
would like to find one like that.
I saw you had a couple of bolts missing
on the axle housing then see you have
some kind of a hitch that bolts there.
What is the purpose of that hitch?
It seems quite high.
Where was your tractor built?
Probably in Antwerp?
The front grill guard is very nice.
Was this something you could buy or was
it custom built.
The vented hood for a diesel with no
exhaust hole on top is very hard to
find. I looked for a couple of years to
find one like that for my 3000.
Saw several that someone had hacked a
hole in the top for the exhaust.
Glad you didn't hack a hole in yours!
Great job on the tractor.
Oh, and I see you sleeved the engine.
You are smart to do that.
 
(quoted from post at 23:18:36 05/26/19) Howdy Dirk,
Welcome to the Ford board.
How is Mr. Cussler doing these days?
If you see him tell him I enjoyed
several of his novels.
Beautiful job on the tractor!
Some random thoughts:
I see the new style tach drive on what
appears to be an old style block.
Is a threaded adaptor available over
there? I have not seen those here but
would like to find one like that.
I saw you had a couple of bolts missing
on the axle housing then see you have
some kind of a hitch that bolts there.
What is the purpose of that hitch?
It seems quite high.
Where was your tractor built?
Probably in Antwerp?
The front grill guard is very nice.
Was this something you could buy or was
it custom built.
The vented hood for a diesel with no
exhaust hole on top is very hard to
find. I looked for a couple of years to
find one like that for my 3000.
Saw several that someone had hacked a
hole in the top for the exhaust.
Glad you didn't hack a hole in yours!
Great job on the tractor.
Oh, and I see you sleeved the engine.
You are smart to do that.

Mr. Cussler is doing just fine. ;)

1. This is the type of tach drive that is available in Europe...https://www.agrilineproducts.com/tachometer-drive.html The problem with this is that it leaks oil and I cant find a way to stop it.
I had a old style oil filter so I had to use this https://www.agrilineproducts.com/oil-filter-conversion-kit.html so the tacho drive could be installed.
I had to buy a tachometer that is anticlockwise, my old was all broken so no harm there.

2. Yes, it is a hitch that bolts there and it can be lowered and lifted as necessary. It has a purpose because it is used to haul different types of trailers I use on my farm, for driving hay bales, corn, dirt, gravel, wood for winter...etc.
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3. Yes, it was built in Antwerp, Belgium.

4. Front grill guard was on the tractor when I bought it, It was probably custom built...over here we make everything on our own, in my country you have to be very resoucerful! :D

5. Yes, The engine was sleeved and full overhaul of everything that I find was needing a repair was done, It was all part of the restoration, all oils, filters, gaskets...etc.

I did everything on the tractor on my own, all the mechanical, body work, new wiring. It took me 5 months this winter, every weekend to do it all and Im very proud of it!

I have two Ford cars, I like Fords and I was looking for a very long time to find a ford tractor over here because they are very rare in Croatia and it is hard to find parts for them here, parts for Ford tractors are very expensive in my country...but thank God for internet and international shipping so I order all the parts from England and they have a very good prices!
 

your using a tach drive designed for a 4600 or newer blocks and the block is machined different at that point, so yes, it probably will leak oil there unless your can modify the tach drive for the older threaded style block. Surely there will be a clever way to accomplish that.
 

Otherwise back to the old style with either a generator drive or the alternator drive, both require the older style tach if you cannot find a thin bush or seal for around the distributor bore.
 
If I still had access to a lathe I would
make a new style tach drive that screwed
into the old style block.
Having a Bridgeport would make it easier
to add the angled part but a guy could
do it on a lathe.
 
I just bought a 1988 3910 with the exhaust out the back......noise was deafening. Decided to do a vertical. I had a lot of parts to replace including hood but
your x000 is/should be the same part number exhaust manifold......just get a new gasket and flip it vertical. My 3000 is vertical and the bolt holes are
staggerd supporting a flip, the 6 mounting holes are on 5" centers top and bottom....you can check a Ford parts list to verify it's bidirectional, since only one
part number will be listed with different exhaust pipe part numbers as a result of being vert or horiz.

While I was at it there was a double length flat muffler (whereas my 3000 is a round muffler with no baffles) to get as quiet of operation as I could. It was
much quieter even though the muffler was now in my face. The 3000 is quiet too as your 4000 should be (swag).
 
(quoted from post at 16:08:21 05/30/19) ... but your x000 is/should be the same part number exhaust manifold......just get a new gasket and flip it vertical.

The manifolds are different. There must be a reason Ford didn't use the horizontal exhaust manifold in both positions. If you flip the vertical manifold it hits the oil filter.

Not sure of the quality of the UK vertical maniflod, or the cost to ship it, but they're $68US from the UK.

I think UD had a good point. Your louvered hood without hole has value. Unfortunately you're not likely to find half an OEM hood with factory hole so that means buying an entire hood to get to get one with a factory hole. My 68 diesel hood was burned badly in a battery fire so I upgraded to a later style hood. I guess I should check the boneyard to see if the old hood is still out there. Might be useable by someone.
 
Is it normal for this tractor of mine to have a high pitch sound on higher revs, acceleration and at loads and it is very loud when operating? The sound is almost like older 4 or 6 cilinder IHC's that two of my friends have and its somewhat vibrating on different rpm's. I have a local license built MF 35 with 3 cilinder engine and 35hp and it is not that loud and shakie like this Ford. It now has 30 hours after overhaul and it seems to me that everything is working just fine.
 
(quoted from post at 13:25:06 06/10/19) It is almost like a whistle. From a distance when it is working at loads it sounds almost like a whistle...

Very loud, yes. Whistle, can't say I've ever heard a 3cyl whistle. I'd suspect your exhaust as it is unusual. It shouldn't be shaking. What you might be feeling are the detonations from the engine which are loud and do bark a bit. Otherwise, no whistle and no shaking.
 

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