640 distributor timing

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What is the correct initial timing for the 640 gas engine. The owners manual says 8 degrees. the shop manual says 4 degrees at 450 rpm. Is it set at 8 degrees engine off, and engine running at idle it advances to the 4 degrees at 450 rpm.
 
As the other guy stated, more advance at the RPM goes up, not the other way around. 134 gas engine is supposed to be at 30 degrees advance with the engine revved up.
 

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