Difference between American and UK built Ford 4600 Tractors?

tjcc1978

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What's the difference between an American and a UK built Ford 4600? Will parts interchange? I have found an ebay seller from the UK that has all the power steering parts we need to fix our broken 4600. But what I need to know is if their parts will interchange to an American built tractor? Part numbers: NVC120D, NVC121D, NVC995C and the last one is NVC437C. I know theirs have coolers hooked up to the power steering pump is a main difference. But there's a rod next to the steering column that I've never seen before. HELP.
 
I can't find those "NVC..." part numbers anywhere in the parts lookup system. Can you reference them by the part numbers listed in the New Holland parts diagrams?

The only things I see different for European 4600's related to steering seem to be for the 4600 Narrow chassis model. I don't see an oil cooler for the power steering pump anywhere either. The only model in that series that I can find that used a p/s cooler was the 535 Industrial Loader tractor.
 
It's the entire power steering gearbox assemblies...except they are from UK tractors. I do not know the part numbers from NH diagrams.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-4600-4610-Power-Steering-With-Pump-Pipes-For-Q-L-P-Cabs-Working-NVC437C/232957738950?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-4000-Power-Steering-Pump-Some-Pipework-NVC120D/233193400930?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-4600-Power-Steering-Pump-Some-Pipework-NVC121D/233193403014?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-4600-4610-Models-Power-Steering-Column-Pump-Some-Pipes-Working-NVC995C/233172301205?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649


Here are the links to the ebay ads. The entire gearbox assemblies look exactly the same as ours, but has the coolers to the PS pumps, there's a rod next to the steering column that I don't know what it's for.
I do know that 4600 UK tractors have cabs, so I don't know if the rod on the side has anything to do with the cabs...
 
The first one specifically says that it is for a tractor that had a cab, and the power steering gear for a cab tractor is listed as a different part number in the parts diagrams than one for a tractor that came from the factory without a cab.

E1NN3N5103AC is the Ford/New Holland part number for non-cab 4600.

E1NN3N5103DB was the original part number for the power steering gear for a 4600 with a cab, and that has been superseded by part number 893934936.

The second and fourth have the long rod that you mention, but they are different from each other. The first and third one only have a small stub of it left. It does not look like it is part of the steering, it looks like whatever it is was just using a bolt at the base of the steering column as a mounting point.

Those VNC numbers look like they might be inventory numbers for the seller. They are not part numbers.

Have you tried contacting the seller to ask them what the Ford/New Holland part numbers are?
 

I did contact them. They are going to find out if they interchange. They did say that 2 of them will, but I am wanting to know for certain. So they said they will check.

Possible that rod could be just a support for a cab? Doesn't appear to be anything to do with the PS system...

Do you know if a US tractor needs the PS cooler?
 
I am reasonably sure that no 4600 model tractor came from the factory with a p/s oil cooler, neither from the UK or the US. The New Holland Parts pages list parts for all tractors, no matter where they were made, and if there is something specific to a country of origin, the part description would have "NH-E" for "New Holland-Europe" or "NH-NA" for "New Holland-North America" to let you know that. The only power steering oil cooler I can find in the parts pages for a 3 cylinder tractor of that time period is the 535 Industrial Loader model, but it doesn't look like the ones in the ebay listings at all.

Given that 3 of the 4 have at least some yellow paint visible on some of the components, my bet would be that if they are truly from 4600 tractors that those tractors were put into use in some specialized industrial application that put more stress on the steering system and that the coolers were added after they left the factory.

I those rods could be part of the mounting system for a cab.
 

I had to go to the UK ebay site in order for them to show up.

I have contacted a local KY tractor parts store and they have a reman. unit for sale, with a 6 mo warranty, but he wants $1500 for it. That's a lot of money to shell out all at once. Guess we shall see what the UK seller says. He is checking out compatibility for me. And shipping as well. The US dollar conversion with UK pounds isn't that bad.
 

Was able to find the steering columns you mentioned.

First thing is the power steering columns for late 4000, 4600 and 4610 are all the same for non cab models, some euro model straddle mount cab tractors also used that same column.
Numbers 437C and 995C are from a 4610.
Although a 4000 and 4600 do not have power steering oil coolers a 4610 does, thus the reason you see the coolers, not because it's a euro model.
Numbers 120D and 121D are from a 4000 and 4600 thus no cooler.
As said before the columns are all the same, lines and cooler are whats different, possibly pump fitting as well.

The rods you see are whats left of the throttle control levers that have been cut off, you'll need to reuse the one you have.

Don't know what the Pound verses Dollar conversion is but shipping could be costly.
Be aware and confirm from the vender on who would pay the return shipping if there's a issue with it when it arrives.
 
This is what the UK seller had to say:


Not really sure what you are looking for, these items have come of UK built machines so are compatable with those - as for American built tractors you need to speak to the Ford guys over there as our local Ford dealer couldnt confirm what was standard or not on those models.

We have in stock 2 x Ford 4610 models both with Power Steering with Oil Coolers, with have a 4110 with Power Steering but NO oil cooler and a 4100 that has NO power steering, all similar to the 4600 UK built machines.
 
What other models are compatible with a 4600?

4610? 4100? 4110? Those are tractors he said he had in stock...



We have in stock 2 x Ford 4610 models both with Power Steering with Oil Coolers, with have a 4110 with Power Steering but NO oil cooler and a 4100 that has NO power steering, all similar to the 4600 UK built machines.



Shipping by UPS he told me was going to be around 266 pounds, which with the conversion rate is around $350 or so for shipping. Here's what he said:


We don't give warranty on items as ALL are pre used and NOT new as they have been removed from mainly working tractors, if we thought the items where faulty we would not list on ebay and keep for donor parts,We have a disclaimer on all ebay listings which is below the picture of the vans.

We only accept returns from items sold within the UK and these are returned at purchasers cost this is due to the shipping costs involved.
 

Apparently you didn't read my prier post stating that 4000, 4600 and 4610 all use the same power steering sector.
They have 2 for a 4610, pick one.
 

I did read it.
I just did not have confirmation if a UK version is the same as an American version from the seller.
 
Ford did a big marketing promotion when they released the 1965 tractors. They called them "World Tractors" and most of the parts were identical no matter what factory they were assembled at or which country the tractor was intended to be sold into. In fact, at various times they made major sub-assemblies, like engines and transmissions in large quantities at one factory and shipped them to the other factories, so the major components are all interchangeable, including the steering components. The New Holland parts diagrams and part listings will tell you if anything s specific to the North American (NH-NA) or European (NH-E) tractors.

There were small differences, like the European tractors had the headlights set into the grill and they had the transmission hand brake standard where the US made tractors had the headlights sticking out on the sides of the nose and the transmission hand brake was an option. The European tractors had more lighting as well because of more safety r3egulations over there at the time. The 8 speed transmission became a 7 speed for Germany because of tractor roadway speed limits there.
 
We decided not to get the UK parts. We ordered a re-manufactured column from a tractor parts place in Kentucky. Set us back $1550, so we are not going to be getting a brush hog anytime soon.
 

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