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Steering column reverser on Ford 250c

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WorkingDad

03-14-2019 06:37:32




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I've had this frankenstein of a 250c for about a year, that I'm digging into the longer I have it. Something that's bugging me is that most of the pictures I've seen of others, as well as the manual, shows a forward/reverse lever on the steering column. Mine is just a straight metal shaft, no indication of where that would have attached, or even how it would have controlled the gears. Is it something I can add on? Sure would save some shifting action.

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Sean in PA

03-16-2019 05:50:43




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  
CD1 is a 345C according to my references.
I've never seen a "P" for the engine type. I assume it's a diesel, but is the exhaust vertical or horizontal? Or maybe the "P" means it's the emissionized engine?
I have a note in one reference that says that W is an independent PTO, but that was handwritten and it doesn't say what speed it is. From the parts drawings it looks like it was only a single speed so I assume that it's 540 rpm. I think that the W is a special designation for independent PTO on a torque converter transmission.

The 2 at the end is an 8x8 torque converter power reversing transmission.

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WorkingDad

03-16-2019 06:07:39




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to Sean in PA, 03-16-2019 05:50:43  
Yep, diesel. Exhaust is vertical.



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Destroked 450

03-15-2019 19:11:47




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  
Yah the late models are hard to decode sometimes.

Your's is the second one with the P engine code so Ill add that to my list.

I have the W pto code

I've added 4 more transmissions to my list and have one more that I know of.

I'm beginning to thing some of these odd codes we're finding on industrial models is to identify them as such.



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Destroked 450

03-15-2019 15:20:08




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  
That's not going to help him since he doesn't have the reverser transmission.

His has the standard 8x2 ag trans.



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ptfarmer

03-15-2019 12:20:17




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  



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Destroked 450

03-14-2019 19:06:50




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  
BC90233 makes it a 91 model

The middle number look like 1F18?

Build date June 18 1991 ? shift.

Look at the front crank pulley

If it looks like this, it's a 192 engine and the tractor would be a 250C



If it has 4 holes like this it's a 201 engine making the tractor a 260C

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WorkingDad

03-15-2019 09:47:08




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to Destroked 450, 03-14-2019 19:06:50  
There we go - 250c

Thanks a ton man!



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WorkingDad

03-14-2019 19:17:34




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to Destroked 450, 03-14-2019 19:06:50  
Perfect. I'm going to be out there, at the latest, Monday night. Putting in a new alternator. Maybe I'll be able to go out and take a peek after work tomorrow though. I don't seem to have a photo that gets that angle of the pulley. But wow, all of that is really good to know. Thanks for all of the research!



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Destroked 450

03-14-2019 16:08:38




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  
On older tractors like mine the C in the engine serial number represents a engine for a 3000 series tractor. Engines for a 4000 start with a D.

If Ford continued that numbering system for your model the C would be for a 3910 series engine which would have 192 ci.

250C is a utility model of the 3910 series.

The only difference between the 192 and 201 is the crankshaft, pistons and front crank pulley.

For normal maintenance and service all parts inner change.

The production date and serial numbers are located in the same area as the model number you posted.

Finding them will help narrow down when it was built and narrow down the models built during that time.

You may need to remove that small metal plate to get a good look at the numbers.

I've never seen that metal plate on a tractor before.

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WorkingDad

03-14-2019 17:39:01




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to Destroked 450, 03-14-2019 16:08:38  
Wow, that alone is more info than Iíve been able to dig up in the last 6 months! So the 4600 manual Iíve been looking through is probably not totally relevant.

Thereís 3 lines with the serial number. The middle line is nearly impossible to make out, even with the pencil rubbing technique.

The best I can make out on the third line is: *BC90233*

Thanks for all the helpful information!

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Destroked 450

03-14-2019 15:26:18




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  
Hadn't realized it has the wrong grill shell, the grill for a 250C looks the same as one for a 4610

They get beat up a lot on utility tractors and the aftermarket 4600 grill shell and grill are cheaper replacements.

The engines serial number is located on the blocks oil pan rail below the dip stick.

The engine production date is located on the side on the upper mounting tab.

In the photo you can see the two large bolts that fasten the engine to the front bolster, the numbers should be on the side of the tab for the upper bolt

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WorkingDad

03-14-2019 15:37:33




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to Destroked 450, 03-14-2019 15:26:18  
Ah, I think that is this one. Tried to get a photo of every min er I could find, itís sitting on some property right now about 30 minutes from home.

Best I can read is: C315902*



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Destroked 450

03-14-2019 14:34:46




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  
You pretty much answered your own question.

Your tractor has the standard 8x2 trans, not the power reversing trans.

Power reversing can not be added to the 8x2 trans.

Does your tractor still have the foil tag under the hood or has it been painted over.

I'm not familiar with that model but the only difference between the 250C and 260C I've found so far is the engine size

250C has a 192 ci engine

260C has a 201 ci engine

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WorkingDad

03-14-2019 14:46:40




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to Destroked 450, 03-14-2019 14:34:46  
Ahhhh, didn't realize there was a different transmission for it. That explains it then. Thanks for pointing it out.

No foil tag at all. There were a handful of these tractors at the auction, all in roughly the same shape: older, painted blue inside and out, various models. I'm pretty sure someone in the Nashville area collects them, gives them a once over, then has this place auction them off. So I don't think the cowling is the original, which explains the lack of foil.

Would the CI be marked on the engine anywhere?

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Destroked 450

03-14-2019 09:41:05




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  
Where is the straight medal shaft you mentioned.

The front axle does look like one for a utility or industrial tractor

CU5P46

CU5 is for a 250C or 260C

P= engine type ?, should be a number

4 = independent 540 pto

6 = 12x4 synchs trans. I don't think that correct's for that tractor.



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JoeM(GA)

03-15-2019 18:51:05




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to Destroked 450, 03-14-2019 09:41:05  
Destroked, New Holland got real strange there at the end, sure wish there was a de-code for the last of the Ford/New Holland models. I own a 1989 Ford 345C Tractor loader, which is pretty much a 3930 with a hard nose, heavy industrial front axle, and a very HD loader with full sub-frame.
my Unit tag reads CD1PW2, it's a Diesel, Ind-540 PTO, with 3 point , and 8x8 Syncro Power reversing transmission, I have yet to figure out that from the code

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WorkingDad

03-14-2019 13:52:55




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to Destroked 450, 03-14-2019 09:41:05  
Straight metal shaft being the steering column. I don't see where the power reverser would attach, or where it would connect to.

Serial is best I can get. It's really pitted out on the engine, what I have is from a pencil rubbing. I'm totally open to learning more exactly what it is. It has the 8x2 trans.

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WorkingDad

03-14-2019 08:32:37




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  
This looks like the best I have of the steering column.



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Bern

03-14-2019 08:39:16




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 08:32:37  
Looks like a normal 4600 to me.



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RickB

03-14-2019 17:11:13




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to Bern, 03-14-2019 08:39:16  
Itís got a relube style clutch release bearing. That would be uncommon on a 4600 AP.



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WorkingDad

03-14-2019 09:14:29




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to Bern, 03-14-2019 08:39:16  
Serial number matches up to a 250c - CU5P46, though Iíve had a lot of trouble tracking info down.

Supposedly the front axles indicate the industrial line? It also has the yellow base layer of paint under all of that blue.



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Bern

03-14-2019 09:32:50




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 09:14:29  
I spoke too soon. Front axle and steering are definitely industrial looking - the blue paint fooled me. That tractor looks like a mutt to me.



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Destroked 450

03-14-2019 08:21:21




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 Re: Steering column reverser on Ford 250c in reply to WorkingDad, 03-14-2019 06:37:32  
Photo's please.



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