Ford Pie Weights

Apache_58

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I’m in the process of picking up some 24” pie weights that came off an 801 Powermaster loader tractor.

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I’m going to try and put them on my 3500 industrial tractor. The lug nut pattern appears to be THF same and they are both 24” wheels.
Should I expect any problems doing this?
I’m missing two weights, what’s the chance at being able to pick up just two replacement weights?
Lastly, can anyone tell what these weights likely weight by simply looking at that photo?

The 3500 manual says you can add 400 lbs per wheel.
 
From the single photo of mounted weights they appear to be conventional heavy weights for 28" tires that have been modified to allow bolt clearance.

That said, the tires look to be 14.9X24s. It is possible that so-called light conventional 28" weights could fit on 24" rims, albeit closely, as are the weights in the photo.

Best guess: Conventional light weights intended for 28" rims mounted very closely on 24" rims. Such segments weigh approximately 30 Lbs. per segment.

Note:Aas mounted, the pie segments may not be individually removeable.

Dean
 
Apache, check the lug nuts on your 3500. My son's 3500 has a weird style nut that has a "shoulder" before the taper. The hole in the wheel is larger than the bolt & the "shoulder" fills it. If yours is like that the extension nuts/bolts will not tighten the wheel as the taper is too small.
 
(quoted from post at 18:01:56 01/24/19) Apache, check the lug nuts on your 3500. My son's 3500 has a weird style nut that has a "shoulder" before the taper. The hole in the wheel is larger than the bolt & the "shoulder" fills it. If yours is like that the extension nuts/bolts will not tighten the wheel as the taper is too small.

I didn’t have tools to remove one but they appear that they should be flat on the back with no taper. Now hopefully the standoff studs are the same.

30lbs each would be about right..prob. 400 total.
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Blows my mind they would make a loader without a locker.
Even with Gannon box and filled tires, it needs more weight.
Looking forward to another 400 per side.
 

Blows my mind they would make a loader without a locker.
Even with Gannon box and filled tires, it needs more weight.
Looking forward to another 400 per side.
 
I posted this the other day but here ya go again. The pie weights were released for the 600/800 Models. Two styles were available: the Light Duty set with each segment at 30#, and the HD set with each segment at 45#. Ya just can't tell by a photo what you have. Take one segment to your bathroom and put it on your wife's scale -easy-peasy? Note total weight fort LD set shown at 800# and the HD set at 1160#. I can't answer if these also will fit a later model. The center plates are made for 28", 8-Bolt Hole Ford wheels I know that. Here is the chart from Page 25 of the OEM 600/800 Owner/Operator Manual:


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Tim Daley(MI)
 
Tim,
Fyi the same 8 on 6" lug pattern was used on all the under 50 hp Fords from 1948 through 1983. When they got to the 10 Series models - 2810, 3910, etc with double reduction rear ends and wet brakes they went to 8 on 8" pattern.
There are a couple of 'buts' and exceptions to that rule like, the 3550 and the early 4000 3 cyl gasser was under 50 hp but generally that is true.
 
Lynn is correct about the lug nuts.
With the cast centers like you show the
lug nuts are shaped like a top hat and the
special stud nuts needed to bolt the pie
weight plates will not work.
 
Thanks UD. When I saw the pics I knew I was right. Just hope Apache has not spent money for something he cannot use!
Does anyone have an extra one or 2 of those nuts or the correct parts number? Son has one missing &amp; every one we have found turns out to be wrong!
 
If you can make them work, and the segments are so-called "light" 30 Lb. segments, I may have one or two spare segments.

That said, after looking at the second photo, I do not believe that the extenders will work.

Dean
 

Hmm. I’m going to have to take a look closer. The weights are pretty much a gift from a friend. I kind of really need the weight.

No wife and no bathroom scale.
I picked up a weight and guessed 25-30 lbs each, but I will weigh them to be sure.

If it’s only 400 pounds mounted on 8 studs.
I’m probably going to try and get new studs that are a wee bit longer. The stand offs will screw on up against the existing wheel nuts.

I realize it’s going to add leverage but with eight studs, I think they will share the load.
 
Another alternative might be to weld the standoff nut to the existing wheel nut. That would kind of ruin the weight mount if you wanted to sell them, but I’m thinking they are going to stay on this loader.
 
The special stud nuts that bolt the plates
on look similar to these.
These are a set that I made on an old
turret lathe 6 or 8 years ago. These are
larger - 3/4" thread size X 1 1/4" hex.
The ones you need are smaller - 5/8"
thread X 1 1/16" hex.
Before I mucked up those special top hat
nuts that you have I would go buy a set of
pressed steel 24" centers and swap out
your cast centers.
Thinking about this further here, Even if
you cobbled/welded up your nuts, I wonder
if you can even bolt the weight plates on
those cast centers. The pressed steel
centers are curved inward and your cast
plates are essentially flat.
The weight plates need that curvature for
clearance.
Hopefully others will weigh in on this but
I am doubtful they will work.
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Thanks for the info. Here is how they are installed on the 861.
The center hub on the 861 is shaped differently.

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Where do you buy the replacement center hubs?
 

I wonder if there any reason you can’t turn the standoff extensions on a lathe to duplicate the “top hat” profile?

I will be taking the weights off the donor tractor tonight and will know makes then.
 
Apache, I would think they could be turned but the cost may be $$$s. We have not found any at salvage yards yet.
UD, we have used Messick's part # at several other parts houses &amp; they have never come up w/the correct nut.
 
Those are for a typical 3 cyl 4000.
They are 3/4" NF threads.
The ones you have now look like my drawing
and have 5/8" NF threads.
Lynn, the part # for the ones I found at
Messicks is C5NN1120D. Says for 3400 and
3500. Dunno?
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This is interesting. So are these lug nuts limited to just the 3500 model? Was there only a limited number of cast centers used?

Seems like $25-$30 EACH is pretty steep considering there should be salvage yards that would have lug nuts that were serviceable.
 
They used them on the 3400 too.
I parted out a 3400 about 10 or 12 years
ago. Had a busted crank. It has those cast
centers and special top hat nuts. That's
how I learned about them.
Ford did put 24s on the 3000 ag models as
an option but those had the pressed
centers, not the cast type.
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I see most of the collar style weights use 4 mounting holes.
Are there any other tractor models that use the 3 hole mount?
 

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