800 Variation

duckrock

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Looking at an 800 TLB this weekend that
owner claims is a 5spd, pto, but no three
point. I'm hoping someone just removed the
three point arms to attach the backhoe. Is
there a model number for 5spd, pto, but no
three point? Or is it more likely a
Frankenstein.
 
I've seen that video before. But watched it again and the info in the video matches the repair manuals. Neither source lists a specific model number for an 800 series with 5spd and pto but without 3pt. Closest might be a 820, but I thought those were 4spds.
 
(quoted from post at 20:19:02 11/08/18) Looking at an 800 TLB this weekend that
owner claims is a 5spd, pto, but no three
point. I'm hoping someone just removed the
three point arms to attach the backhoe. Is
there a model number for 5spd, pto, but no
three point? Or is it more likely a
Frankenstein.

According to john smith's pages, there were no 5 speeds without PTO and 3 point. There were 4 speeds that had neither or didn't have PTO. Some 01 series Select-O-Speeds were built without as well.
 
Have you seen the tractor, or at least pictures of it? "No 3 point" tractors came from the factory with no pump and no hydraulic top cover, just a blank cover plate that the seat bolted to.

If it's just that the arms were removed when the hoe was installed, then the rock shaft should be there, but if it came from the factory with no 3 point then even the rock shaft wouldn't. If the rock shaft is there then hopefully the quadrant, control handle and lift cylinder are there as well, and maybe the pump, but the hydraulic sump has probably never been changed and is probably either dry or has water contamination.

Did the seller seem knowledgeable about Ford tractors in general? If not and you haven't seen it then he may be calling it a 5 speed because it has 4 forward and one reverse speed... that's 5 total, right? :D
 
I'm going to say an 820. Regardless of what the decoding charts say the 820 had a 5 speed transmission. In fact for the 800-series the four-speed transmission wasn't introduced until very late in the production run. The 820's successor, the 821, did have a 4-speed transmission. Many 820s were used in a TLB configuration. Below is an old thread that talks of a configuration similar to what you are describing.
820 TLB discussion
 
I haven't seen the tractor and pictures
aren't clear enough to see details. I
believe it is a true five speed because he
said it "goes up and down.". I'm hoping to
see it on Sunday and will updates the post
of I get to see it.
 
(quoted from post at 08:33:05 11/09/18) I'm going to say an 820. Regardless of what the decoding charts say the 820 had a 5 speed transmission. In fact for the 800-series the four-speed transmission wasn't introduced until very late in the production run. The 820's successor, the 821, did have a 4-speed transmission. Many 820s were used in a TLB configuration. Below is an old thread that talks of a configuration similar to what you are describing.
820 TLB discussion

I have a vague memory that they switched between the 4 and 5 speeds among the 82x models as well, but my foggy memory was telling me that they used the 4 speed in the 820 model and and switched tho the 5 speed for the 821's, but these days I can't trust my memory for much, so you are probably correct.

Using the 5 speed with the lock tab at the base of the shifter to keep it from moving down makes a nice shuttle between 3rd and R so I assumed that someone finally figured that out and switched to the 5 speeds for the TLB tractors instead of switching away from the nicer setup to the "less nice" one.
 

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