Yesterday's Tractor Co. Shop Now
   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver
 
Marketplace
Classified Ads
Photo Ads
Tractor Parts

Community
Discussion Forums
Project Journals
Tractor Town
Your Stories
Show & Pull Guide
Events Calendar
Hauling Schedule

Galleries
Tractor Photos
Implement Photos
Vintage Photos
Help Identify
Parts & Pieces
Stuck & Troubled
Vintage Ads
Community Album
Photo Ad Archives

Research & Info
Articles
Tractor Registry
Tip of the Day
Safety Cartoons
Tractor Values
Serial Numbers
Tune-Up Guide
Paint Codes
List Prices
Production Nbrs
Tune-Up Specs
Torque Values
3-Point Specs
Glossary

Miscellaneous
Tractor Games
Just For Kids
Virtual Show
Museum Guide
Memorial Page
Feedback Form

Yesterday's Tractors Facebook Page

Related Sites
Tractor Shed
TractorLinks.com
Ford 8N/9N Club
Today's Tractors
Garden Tractors
Kountry Life
  
Ford Tractors Discussion Forum
Show Parts for Model:

Bern.. or any other N14 Celect guru's...

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author  [Modern View]
RodInNS

11-08-2018 11:55:43




Report to Moderator

Hi everyone

I've got a problem with the N14-435 Celect in my IH 9400 truck. Long story short, it ran out of fuel. I changed the main filter on the pump head as well as the water separator filter on the firewall as I've done before when I ran the thing out of fuel. Filled filters, etc. The engine will start and run on full filters, but usually requires a shot of ether to start. It will generally run for 5-10 minutes and quit. I can shut it down and sometimes it will restart on it's own. Sometimes requires ether. When it quits it will often produce white smoke. Sometimes no smoke which leads me to believe it's not getting fuel. Refilling the filters will generally get it running again.
Thus far I've blown the lines back to the tank and they seem clear. I can pressurize the tank and force fuel through the filters and out the bleeders on the pump. I've replaced the pump. Filters multiple times. I've cleaned the check valve in the ECM cooler plate (and found nothing). I've made jumper lines to eliminate ALL chassis fuel lines and run direct from the tank siphon to the engine filter head. Nothing has made any substantial difference. It's behaving like a bad crank sensor... will sputter and quit a few times and then start.... but it's not putting the engine light on.
I don't see any obvious defects in the engine harness. I spent a couple minutes twisting and forcing it when the engine was running, all to no effect. The engine ground does look ugly... but nothing else is giving issues and many things ground on that surface...
I'm going to see if I can get some codes from it.... but otherwise, at this point, I'm open to any and all suggestions. Thanks

Rod

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
showcrop

11-08-2018 17:11:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: Bern.. or any other N14 Celect guru's... in reply to RodInNS, 11-08-2018 11:55:43  
Rod, I once started my 5900i when a guy happened to be walking by the left front wheel which was turned. He stopped and looked, then came to the window and asked if it was supposed to arc there. Upon investigation I found that the ground was a 7/16 bolt in a 7/8 hole with a big washer on each side. The space around the bolt was filled with crud and had it nearly insulated.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bern

11-08-2018 12:49:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: Bern.. or any other N14 Celect guru's... in reply to RodInNS, 11-08-2018 11:55:43  
The N14 uses a dual signal cam sensor for the timing control. Because it's a two-circuit sensor, the odds of both circuits failing are remote.

Based on your description, I'd be checking two different things if I were you:

1) The ECM power and ground circuit supply, usually located right at the battery. Look for corrosion or other obvious signs of loose connectors in that area. 2) Fuel pressure as measured with a gauge. See illustration for location and specs.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
RodInNS

11-08-2018 14:49:14




Report to Moderator
 Re: Bern.. or any other N14 Celect guru's... in reply to Bern, 11-08-2018 12:49:26  
Just an update.. I did succeed in getting a code from it. It's giving me a '141' in blinks from the stop engine light which is supposed to be an oil pressure sensor circuit fault? Pull the battery cables off and reinstall and the same ode is there? Any further ideas on that? Thanks

Rod



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bern

11-08-2018 17:26:10




Report to Moderator
 Re: Bern.. or any other N14 Celect guru's... in reply to RodInNS, 11-08-2018 14:49:14  
141 is "low voltage detected in the oil pressure SIGNAL circuit", meaning the issue is electrical and not mechanical. This being the case, it cannot be the cause of your intermittent shutdown, it merely turns on the yellow check engine light.

On the other hand, if you had code 143, "oil pressure low", this would indicate a mechanical fault, and would be accompanied by a red warning light along with a shutdown if so programmed.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
RodInNS

11-09-2018 08:23:04




Report to Moderator
 Re: Bern.. or any other N14 Celect guru's... in reply to Bern, 11-08-2018 17:26:10  
Yes, this just throws the 'engine warn' light on after the gauges sweep. However, it's not on when the engine is running. I'll have to take a closer look at the other things you mentioned. Thanks

Rod



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
RodInNS

11-08-2018 13:20:24




Report to Moderator
 Re: Bern.. or any other N14 Celect guru's... in reply to Bern, 11-08-2018 12:49:26  
Thanks Bern. I'll give that a try.

Rod



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
Fast Shipping!  Most of our stocked parts ship within 24 hours (M-Th). Expedited shipping available, just call! Most prices for parts and manuals are below our competitors. Compare our super low shipping rates! We have the parts you need to repair your tractor. We are a company you can trust and have generous return policies. Shop Online Today or call our friendly sales staff toll free (800) 853-2651. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2018 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters