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Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues

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Chuck_C

07-17-2018 08:48:18




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I purchased my first tractor just recently to help clean up the homestead. While it has good bones, The PO's put their own unique touches to repairs. I'm somewhat mechanical inclined and not fearful in getting my hands dirty.
I brought it home and had to replace brakes, needing to stop is important. PO had put just a slightly smaller brake drum and tore up the rear dust shield.
Now she stops but the clutch was next. It would engage suddenly and the transition was immediate, from stop to go no matter how slowly I'd let off.

I split the tractor and found anti-freeze and what looks like the bottom end of a deep fryer with years of neglect.
The question I have, Rear Seal or transmission shaft seal? I didn't see any leakage so PO might have fixed it. I know someone has had it apart as it's missing a bolt on the clutch and half the bell housing bolts were mis-matched metric sizes. third party image third party image

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07-20-2018 06:38:08




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
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Chuck, I don't have a new one to compare, but I would say wear. I believe that the factory would run those grooves all the way out if they were machined. I don't think that you have anything to worry about unless you are planning many hours of heavy loader work every day.



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Chuck_C

07-19-2018 19:14:16




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
Here is the carrier hub, wear marks or factory? third party image



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Chuck_C

07-19-2018 05:27:32




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
Found a couple of good post on replacing both seals and bearings. The one thing I can't find a good picture of is the Carrier Bearing Hub. It has grooves where the forks would press against it and it almost looks factory made. Not sure if this is excessive wear or the supposed to be there. Don't have a picture right now but can post one once I get home.

Chuck



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pomester

07-18-2018 20:44:40




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
don't forget there are two seals in associated with the input shafts - one on the transmission shaft and one on the PTO shaft - also an appropriate time to replace the clutch release bearing -



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Chuck_C

07-18-2018 16:42:36




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
Thanks everyone for the replies. Parts are ordered and I know this is just the start of my journey.
Chuck



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BigPapa53

07-18-2018 03:31:05




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
Holy multiple post, Batman.......



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slip knot

07-18-2018 15:41:14




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to BigPapa53, 07-18-2018 03:31:05  
I apologize, not sure what went wrong and it wont let me edit.



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slip knot

07-17-2018 20:39:26




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
in my experience the clutch gets "grabby" because its oil soaked. The oil usually comes out of the transmission input shaft seal. Rear main will sling oil everywhere but the clutch usually stays dry. Anti freeze is probably a leaky freeze plug.

When replacing the clutch make sure you have someone set it up who has the correct jig. The 2 stage clutch has to be set properly to work right. Its a royal PITA if its not set up right. I spent a week tinkering with mine before I found an old mechanic who still knew how to set one up. They are sweet when they work right.

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slip knot

07-17-2018 20:32:50




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
in my experience the clutch gets "grabby" because its oil soaked. The oil usually comes out of the transmission input shaft seal. Rear main will sling oil everywhere but the clutch usually stays dry. Anti freeze is probably a leaky freeze plug.

When replacing the clutch make sure you have someone set it up who has the correct jig. The 2 stage clutch has to be set properly to work right. Its a royal PITA if its not set up right. I spent a week tinkering with mine before I found an old mechanic who still knew how to set one up. They are sweet when they work right.

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slip knot

07-17-2018 20:32:27




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
in my experience the clutch gets "grabby" because its oil soaked. The oil usually comes out of the transmission input shaft seal. Rear main will sling oil everywhere but the clutch usually stays dry. Anti freeze is probably a leaky freeze plug.

When replacing the clutch make sure you have someone set it up who has the correct jig. The 2 stage clutch has to be set properly to work right. Its a royal PITA if its not set up right. I spent a week tinkering with mine before I found an old mechanic who still knew how to set one up. They are sweet when they work right.

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Sean in PA

07-17-2018 19:22:33




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
That's not a washer, it's a circlip. Usually used on a shaft with an indent to hold other things in place.



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Royse

07-17-2018 18:48:25




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
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Off the end of the old style starter drive gear when one broke.



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Chuck_C

07-17-2018 18:23:49




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
As I was cleaning, this washer was found in the bottom of the goop. Anyone have an ideal where it might belong?
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Sean in PA

07-17-2018 10:24:49




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 Re: Ford 860 Split - Clutch Issues in reply to Chuck_C, 07-17-2018 08:48:18  
If there was anti-freeze in there, then I doubt that it was the transmission seal leaking. My guess would be a freeze plug on the rear of the engine.



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