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ppabs1

04-29-2018 06:10:22




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Over the last few months Ive been reading posts on this particular forum to educate myself as much as possible in regards to engine swaps and what will work in/with what. I decided to join the forum today as I am going to begin my project this morning of swapping out a ford 201cid engine with a bsd 268cid in a 455c. I've seen mixed opinions on this subject between this and other forums that are online. I'll be incresing the power by about 25hp but dont plan on running this thing with the throttle pegged. I'll be pulling the 201 today, blasting/painting this week and dropping the 268 next weekend along with some minor adjustments that will be made for proper fitment. I do have a complete replacement with radiator/fan, flywheel,wiring harness ,ignition Acc, etc. on the 268 which has 459 hrs. on it.

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ppabs1

04-30-2018 08:24:14




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ppabs1

04-30-2018 00:13:39




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ppabs1

04-29-2018 18:47:04




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cam anyone tell me how to send a damn picture on this thing LOL



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ppabs1

04-29-2018 18:46:23




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ppabs1

04-29-2018 18:42:38




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ppabs1

04-29-2018 18:38:37




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ppabs1

04-29-2018 18:33:16




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Oh I know and I appreciate that. Everyone on here shares somewhat of a common interest and that's why I wanted to join this forum because everybody seemed like they were a but more educated then other forums I'd seen. And as far as experience, I don't have a whole lot at all. In fact, most of my knowledge comes from reading the book that you guys wrote me for the last several months and looking back at older forums from this site. my mechanical background hasn't much to do with industrial equipment and certainly not diesel engines. If I had gotten off on the wrong foot I'd like to make an apology to everyone and establish that the whole reason I became so interested in this project to begin with was being fascinated by the interesting projects that everyone on here discusses. I know where there's no emotion behind text it can be taken several different ways.[img][/img]

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RickB

04-30-2018 01:43:16




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 Re: 201/268 swap in reply to ppabs1, 04-29-2018 18:33:16  
No problem. Again, good luck with the project.



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Sean in PA

04-29-2018 17:52:57




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 Re: 201/268 swap in reply to ppabs1, 04-29-2018 06:10:22  
All we did was point out additional things that you might need to be aware because of the longer engine, and the need to modify or replace things because of that. I hope you are successful. Please keep posting your progress and include pictures.



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wels

04-29-2018 16:37:46




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 Re: 201/268 swap in reply to ppabs1, 04-29-2018 06:10:22  
"about to yank her."

Post plenty of pictures



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ppabs1

04-29-2018 14:53:34




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ppabs1

04-29-2018 14:47:33




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about to yank her.



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ppabs1

04-29-2018 14:47:12




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about to yank her.



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ppabs1

04-29-2018 14:42:16




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Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see it's 2 wheel drive and the rest had already been taken into consideration. And if you think I was trying to hold somebody on a forum responsible for any projects that I endeavor I'm sorry that my appreciation for you're confident words came off that way. The adjustments I need to make Mickey Mouse stuff compared to having two tear that old piece of crap out and rebuild it with everything else having 13000 hours on it instead of 459. I'll keep the pics coming and we're going to see a good running machine as a conclusion. Thanks for the tips and I'm always open to more as a fresh reminder and to cover all my bases.

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RickB

04-29-2018 16:33:40




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 Re: 201/268 swap in reply to ppabs1, 04-29-2018 14:42:16  
Lighten up. Nobody here knows what you have planned for, what you have considered, or what you are equipped for and capable of doing. Good luck with the project.



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ppabs1

04-29-2018 10:36:20




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 Re: 201/268 swap in reply to ppabs1, 04-29-2018 06:10:22  
I'd be more than willing to sell the 201 but I think it'd be a good idea to wait till this project over. I'm going to govern down the 268 considering the 201 ran at 2500 rpm I believe.



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ppabs1

04-29-2018 10:34:32




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See now those are the positive kind of words that I want to hear because I believe that you are right and yes it is a power reversing transmission. in fact, I wouldn't have ever even dreamed of dumping a268 in it had I not read Forums on this page saying that they believed it could be done. With little to none fabricating or extra work.



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RickB

04-29-2018 12:16:19




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 Re: 201/268 swap in reply to ppabs1, 04-29-2018 10:34:32  
I didnít say there wouldnít be extra work. Hydraulic and transmission cooler lines, main hydraulic suction and pressure lines, 4 power steering lines will all need to be extended. The hood will be too short. 4WD driveshaft, if equipped, will need to be lengthened. . Verify the loader frame has extra holes in the front mount that can be used with the longer wheelbase. I know the A and B series do, not sure about C. This isnít a project I would consider. But lucky for me, Iím not doing it. Like I said, the added hp isnít a concern. Nothing else was stated or implied.

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RickB

04-29-2018 09:40:38




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Iíd be willing to bet the rest of that 455C chassis is little to no different than a 655C. The added hp isnít a concern to me. Youíre only going to transmit so much torque through a converter. Itís a near certainty this Tractor has a Power Reversing transmission. If not, Iím still not scared.



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ppabs1

04-29-2018 09:37:39




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04-29-2018 09:35:18




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ppabs1

04-29-2018 09:22:12




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Like I said the 268 is complete. In fact I took a 4dlt battery with me and I started it before I bought it in New Castle Pennsylvania on the spot without it being in a machine. It has the wiring harness the ignition to starter injection pump the radiator fans everything is there and complete



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IanC

04-29-2018 09:17:35




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 Re: 201/268 swap in reply to ppabs1, 04-29-2018 06:10:22  
You also need to remember that if you reduce the RPM of the engine you will also be reducing the flow rate (GPM)of the open center main hydraulic pump which will effect your cycle times.



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fordfarmer

04-29-2018 08:46:56




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 Re: 201/268 swap in reply to ppabs1, 04-29-2018 06:10:22  
That's a 30% increase in h.p. and torque... and peak torque for a 268 is at 1600 rpm. I think I'd do like Destroked said - fix the 201 and sell the 268 or use it in another project.
That said, if you do put the 268 in, what are your plans for the 201? I know a couple people who'd be interested in it, if it's close enough.



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Destroked 450

04-29-2018 07:54:01




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 Re: 201/268 swap in reply to ppabs1, 04-29-2018 06:10:22  
Interesting project!

I've alway liked the 4 cylinder 5030 but your working on a Industrial model with industrial sheet metal, will the hood for a larger 4 cylinder model fit yours, if it has a loader have you checked to make sure the loader will clear the front grill shell once it's moved forward nearly 5".

Besides engine controls you'll need to lengthen lines for the steering as will as oil cooler lines.

If it has MFWD the drive shaft will need to be lengthened also.

Personally I'd fix the 201 and save the 268 or sell it for nearly enough to pay for rebuilding the 201.

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Sean in PA

04-29-2018 07:08:48




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As the others have said, going form a 3 cylinder to a 4 cylinder engine will require more3 than the parts that you listed. You will need longer 4 cylinder style hood panels at least.



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IanC

04-29-2018 06:58:41




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Please take lots of pictures. As the 201 is a 3 cylinder and the 268 is a 4 cylinder the engine is at minimum 4.4" longer. It is going to be interesting how you adjust all the other components.



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RickB

04-29-2018 06:55:17




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3 cylinder to 4?



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