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Trying to figure out tractor I have

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davehartman99

03-24-2018 20:55:27




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I bought an old tractor, good shape. Was told it was a 60 HP 4600. I don't believe it is. I tried to find the serial numbers stamped where they say to look and found some but not in the order they say. Here is what I have:

I believe it is a Ford 1966 4000 Tractor. I found a site that explains it even though the numbers are a bit out of order, not sure why. There are three numbers on the engine where they claim the serial numbers reside. They are 6K4 on top, 44011C (or G) in the middle, and C157958 last. According to the website on what those numbers mean and due to the fact that the 3000 series are all under 50 HP and 4000 series are all between 50-60 HP, it makes sense but maybe someone knows old tractors and can confirm if I am right or not.

First number - 6K4 - 6 = 1966, K = Oct, 4 = 4th day, should be an AM or PM shift number but there isn't one.

Second number 44011C - 4 or D - 4000, 40 = Utility, 1 = Diesel, 1 = no PTO (engine wise? It has a 3 point hitch with PTO in middle but maybe this is something else related to the engine), C = 8 speed which it is (2 forward low, 2 rev low, 2 forward high, 2 rev high)

Last num - C = built in USA, 157958 is the serial number

3 Cylinder, 55 HP

Anything above those numbers like 4600, etc are all after 1972 so can't be. Let me know if any of this seems correct or if I should be looking somewhere else for the numbers? I got them from the right side facing forward over the double holes in the chassis where they say to look. Numbers and letters are worn a bit so hard to see like I thought 44011C was 440HG but I don't think that is right. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks

Dave

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Sean in PA

03-26-2018 11:47:03




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
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Not sure what you mean in that section I highlighted in bold. 44011C with the first two numbers flipped would still be 44011C.

 

 

 



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davehartman99

03-26-2018 09:05:30




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
So I think I have to go with the 4400 as what it is based on what some here are saying and the dates assigned to the production code and serial number. I found another thread somewhere which had another with a very similar set of numbers with the first two flipped. With that said, it would indeed follow the codes of being a 4000 series and based on the heavy front end, it would be a 4400. The code says 1966. Thanks all for the help!!

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Destroked 450

03-26-2018 08:20:37




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
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True

The 350/C50 codes I listed are for the earlier 3500 model that was replaced by the 3550 in 72

It appears there was a engine change in the diesel models at the time the codes where changed from C55 to K50 but there's no mention of what year it happened.

C55 had a 175 ci diesel

K50 had a 183 ci diesel

Both keep the 158 ci gas engine but hp was increased on the K50

5550 replaced the 5500 in 1970

Engines stayed the same but hp was increased on the J50

No info on when this change took place.

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Destroked 450

03-26-2018 08:19:32




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
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Ford used numbers in the model codes till 4/1/68, after that they changed the first number to a letter.

35012A = 3500 industrial, diesel engine, 540 trans pto, 4x1 trans

C135129 = consistent with a tractor made in the US during the 1966 production run.

6D14? = built on May 14 1966, photo didn't show the last letter for which shift it was built on, if it was stamped.

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Destroked 450

03-26-2018 08:05:34




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
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True

The 350/C50 codes I listed are for the earlier 3500 model that was replaced by the 3550 in 72

It appears there was a engine change in the diesel models at the time the codes where changed from C55 to K50 but there's no mention of what year it happened.

C55 had a 175 ci diesel

K50 had a 183 ci diesel

Both keep the 158 ci gas engine but hp was increased on the K50

5550 replaced the 5500 in 1970

Engines stayed the same but hp was increased on the J50

No info on when this change took place.

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nashranch

03-26-2018 07:12:11




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
I had a 1966 3500 industrial tractor a while back. The model/serial number looked like this below.
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Sean in PA

03-26-2018 05:10:51




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
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The 3550 started out as C55 for the model designator, but at some point they change to K50. I'm not sure what date they changed that though.

Likewise, the 5550's started out as E55 and changed to J50.



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Shaun Wallace

03-25-2018 19:12:31




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
Oh I was just thinkin could be 3550 bbbuuuuttt it was a hard nose not a soft nose. Lost industrial decode book somewhere. Can remember some but not many.



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Destroked 450

03-25-2018 16:57:16




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
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Depending on year model

35012K = should be correct for 65-68

C5012K = should be correct for 68-72, my paper dates this number back to 65 but I don't believe it's correct

C5512K = 72-75



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Destroked 450

03-25-2018 16:46:04




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
Front axle, sheet metal are consistent with a 65-68 4400 so I'll say it's a 66 4400 that's had the pto added.



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Shaun Wallace

03-25-2018 16:24:23




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
What would a 3550 code out? 6x4 manuel reverse trans pto diesel eng



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Sean in PA

03-25-2018 11:46:28




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
That is definitely 1965 through early 1968 sheet metal. The front axle isn't very clear in your pictures but it does look like a 4400 front axle. Given the numbers on the transmission also say that it is a 4400 I would bet that is what it is. The 4400 was basically the same as the regular 3 cylinder 4000 ag chassis model except that it had a heavier duty non-adjustable front axle designed for holding up better to loader work.

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davehartman99

03-25-2018 13:53:35




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to Sean in PA, 03-25-2018 11:46:28  
Here were the pics of the nums but hard to read

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davehartman99

03-25-2018 12:11:09




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to Sean in PA, 03-25-2018 11:46:28  
Sorry for so many pics. Here is the same pics but clearer of the front if that helps

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Destroked 450

03-25-2018 07:52:28




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
Need a little more info.

What your describing doesn't match the code

1st: 4(40)11C is for a 4400 utility (light industrial) model

2nd:4401(1)C is for no pto but you say it has one

3rd: 44011(C) is for a 8x2 trans, 4 forward + 1 reverse in low range and 4 forward + 1 reverse in high range.

The 2 forward + 2 reverse in each range you described is a 4x4 manual reversing trans that is code letter G.

A 66 4400 will have a two piece grill with the lower part wrapping around the sides of the radiator shell, it will also have ether a front oil bath air clearer or a dry paper style with access to the filter on the left side of the tractor.

A 4600 will have have a one piece flat grill with a dry paper style filter accessed on the right side of the radiator shell.

With you description I think you may have a tractor that's had a transmission change, all of the numbers are stamped on the trans which throws off ones search.

Is the ID decal still stuck to the under side of the hood above the battery?

If so see if it matches the trans codes

A photo would help us determine what you may have.

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davehartman99

03-25-2018 09:31:27




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to Destroked 450, 03-25-2018 07:52:28  
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Ok, no ID decal under the hood. I don't think it is a 4600. It has a oil bath front air cleaner and is 2 foward, 2 reverse in low, 2 forward, 2 reverse in high. So 4x4 and I thought the second numbers were indeed a G and not a 6. That would agree with the G letter code you mention.

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JoeM(GA)

03-25-2018 07:01:36




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  

D40(440) 4400 utility 1965-1968



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mission creek

03-25-2018 06:19:42




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 Re: Trying to figure out tractor I have in reply to davehartman99, 03-24-2018 20:55:27  
I think what you have is a 4000. When I cant make out the model number or the production code I try to see where the serial number fits in. All the 4600 serial numbers go from C4 to C6 but the 4000s go from C1 to C4.

1966: C124200
1967: C161300

Looks like you have a 1966 4000. I know the X600 series vin decodes a little differently than the straight 1000 series. Tried to use the decoder online for my 5600 and not much matched up so I just had to use the serial number. With that said I hope you got a decent deal on the tractor, being its at least 10 years older and somewhat different than a 4600. Ive seen several people try to advertise they have a X600 series when its a regular thousand series. Either they dont know any better or trying to make the tractor look newer by painting and updating decals or fenders. I looked at a 6600 row crop last month and the guy wanted a pretty penny because it was rare, only one year made tractor, or at least thats what the person who he bought it from said. I immediately questioned it because the muffler was close to the gas tank (X600 series typically have the muffler towards the front cowl) and had wrong flat top fenders. After decoding the vin, it turned out to be a 1968 5000 row crop that someone updated the front cowl and slapped on 6600 decals. Needless to say he was pretty upset and no one won that day.

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