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53 Ford Jubilee

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donharmon

02-16-2016 16:33:29




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Rebuilt engine 134 completely with new gaskets seals, block, rings main bearings, and the works but cannot get rear main to stop leaking?? Am I missing something??




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michford

02-23-2016 09:39:34




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
Hi Don, the staggered seals I mentioned pertain to the round seal for the crank journal in the rear main. Each seal is a half round. Some folks install them with the ends flush with the block, and some folks install them with with one half round rotated so one end sticks out approx. 3/8 of an inch and the other is recessed the same. The staggered seal installation cannot be done with a rope seal, it can only be done with the lip style seal.

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michford

02-23-2016 09:33:07




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
I'm going on memory here, but I'm pretty sure the instructions on the sealant said not to slide the sealed components together. I installed the rear main and torqued the bolts, then squeezed the sealant in place. There is a slight gap in the sides of the rear cap and the block, and that is why you see sealant that squirted out and why there is more sealant that squirted out at the end of the cap versus the end of the cap in the block.

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donharmon

02-22-2016 09:59:25




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
I am not sure on what u mean when u staggered the seals, one on top and one on bottom, right which is what I have??



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showcrop

02-22-2016 05:03:37




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
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Michford, Last engine I did I used the V-R two piece neoprene but on the sides I use the rubber seals with pins, and had tough time getting the pins in. I have been panning to use the sealant next time, and next time is here. I am surprised to see the sealant pushing out on the sides in your pic. Do you squeeze it in with the block still loose then tighten the block down after squeezing the groove full?

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donharmon

02-20-2016 10:01:09




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
[I did and all looks ok??



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donharmon

02-20-2016 07:27:27




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
Well, as I said,doesnt seem to be any leak along the sides or bottom,just around the crankshaft seals?? I did put new seals along with new rope in bearing caps and on block but cant get the leak to stop??



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Michford

02-20-2016 09:28:14




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-20-2016 07:27:27  
Did you install the rope seal per the shop manual? Is it possible that the rope seal has a gap between the ends?



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michford

02-19-2016 17:13:07




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
You are correct, the sealant is only for use in the wedge grooves.



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donharmon

02-19-2016 07:29:27




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
[Thnks a bunch,I don't seem to be leaking around the main block, on the side ,just where the crank shaft and the half moon seal is?? Cant use this in that spot tho,right??



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michford

02-18-2016 18:02:54




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
Here is a picture of the rear main. I filled the wedge seal slots entirely with the Victor Reinz sealant. It squirted thru the gap along the cap. Also pictured is the tube of sealant. No more rear main leak! I also did not use a rope seal on the rear crank journal, I also used the two piece round seal and staggered the split.

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donharmon

02-18-2016 10:27:34




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
By the way,it seems to be coming from around the center of the crank seal and I put new seals in it??New seals and new graphite rope it looks like??



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donharmon

02-18-2016 10:22:52




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
Ok,.Thnks,will check later



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donharmon

02-17-2016 07:54:59




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
Used the black wedge vees with the wire pin along with the rubber seals I guess u would call them?? Bought them at yesterday tractor so maybe wont be the ones I want??



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Michford

02-16-2016 16:45:41




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-16-2016 16:33:29  
What type of seals did you use on the rear main? I used neoprene lip seal on the rear journal and the Victor Reinz sealant in a tube instead of the wedge seals and have no leaks two years after the rebuild of my 860.



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donharmon

02-17-2016 16:18:03




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to Michford, 02-16-2016 16:45:41  
Ordered a tube today, just put it on the block side of the bearing or what??



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Michford

02-18-2016 04:24:37




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to donharmon, 02-17-2016 16:18:03  
Fill the grooves in the sides of the rear main cap completely with the Victor Reinz sealant. I"ll post a picture later today of my rear main. I happen to have the oil pan off my tractor to fix a broken oil pump drive shaft. It is a little challenging to squeeze the sealant into the bottom of the groove, but the tube comes with a long applicator. Follow the directions and get the surfaces clean before using the sealant.

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Sixty7camaro

02-16-2016 22:47:38




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to Michford, 02-16-2016 16:45:41  
Did you use the Victor Reinz sealant in place of the paper strips or in addition to the strips?



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donharmon

02-17-2016 10:40:18




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to Sixty7camaro, 02-16-2016 22:47:38  
Didn't get any paper strips with seals, just the above, stumped at present ,have the engine hanging lower on the back end to see if any seeps or leaks, none at present



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Michford

02-17-2016 04:17:51




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to Sixty7camaro, 02-16-2016 22:47:38  
The Victor Reinz was used in place of the paper wedge seals.



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Sixty7camaro

02-18-2016 17:03:57




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to Michford, 02-17-2016 04:17:51  
So did you just pour the sealant into the area where the wedges normally would fit? My motor is ready to be installed and I would like to do this before reassembly. Where did you get the product? Thanks!



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Michford

02-19-2016 19:17:57




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 Re: 53 Ford Jubilee in reply to Sixty7camaro, 02-18-2016 17:03:57  
I installed the rear main with rubber seals, not the rope seal, and empty wedge seal grooves. I torqued the rear main bolts to spec, then used the tube of sealant with the tip and squeezed the sealant in to the grooves.



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