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removing rear tire on 861

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gmartin

01-25-2016 15:37:15




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I have a flat on a recently purchased 861, on a back tire. I was using it to blade the driveway and noticed water shooting out of the rim. I need to know if I can jack up the tractor with a hydraulic jack under the rear end and then put blocking under the axle to hold it while I fight to get the wheel off. Will it hurt the differential if I jack it up there? Also am I better off removing the 8 lug nuts to remove the tire and wheel or should I remove the nuts at the tread width adjustments and only remove the tire and rim? I'm guessing I'll have to patch or replace the rim. Thank you in advance for any help and encouragement.

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Royse

01-26-2016 09:14:54




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to gmartin, 01-25-2016 15:37:15  
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I didn't read the ad right.

Lower in the ad it says "Price includes refundable core charge of $50".

When I first read it I thought it said Excludes.

So I guess that makes them $500/each or $1000/pair with cores.



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Larry NCKS

01-25-2016 22:39:15




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to gmartin, 01-25-2016 15:37:15  
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Thanks for posting! They're within driving distance of me, but $1100.00 per pair . . . Not sure where the $600.00 figure came from Royce. What I see is $550.00 each. Ad also says there are "more than 10" available.



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Royse

01-25-2016 18:13:14




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to gmartin, 01-25-2016 15:37:15  
"Not sure how to break the bead if the tire & wheel are still mounted on tractor."

Like this: YouTube

And here's a video of an entire tire change.

This one was done with a tire hammer, but it was newly mounted.

There's also a manual version of that first tool.

It works pretty well if you have an exposed lip to get under.
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gmartin

01-26-2016 15:45:21




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to Royse, 01-25-2016 18:13:14  
I'll check out the you tube when I get home. Thank you.



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Royse

01-25-2016 18:00:28




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to gmartin, 01-25-2016 15:37:15  
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That's the first time I've seen them for sale even re-manufactured.

Glad to know someone is doing it. eBay

$600 each plus freight is a bit steep though. :(



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gmartin

01-25-2016 17:57:17




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to gmartin, 01-25-2016 15:37:15  
I sprayed the nuts with liquid wrench to help when I try and remove them. Not sure how to break the bead if the tire & wheel are still mounted on tractor. If I can't break the bead I can use a come along to load it onto a trailer and take to a tire shop. Sure do appreciate all the advice everyone.
Thanks



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Royse

01-25-2016 17:51:41




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to gmartin, 01-25-2016 15:37:15  
I would definitely take it off at the 8 lug nuts then.

You might get it to spin off the center disk leaving the disk on

the tractor but it would be a bear trying to spin it back on.

If you plan on re-loading the tire with liquid, load it after you
have the wheel back on and have made certain the tube holds air.



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soundguy

01-26-2016 05:35:01




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to Royse, 01-25-2016 17:51:41  
i spun my centers back on my rims with a blunt air hammer and grease. worked quite well. :)



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Royse

01-25-2016 16:42:47




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to gmartin, 01-25-2016 15:37:15  
You can jack and block as you have listed.

Do you have the original Ford power adjust rims like these?

If so, new ones are not available. You can repair them or try to find used ones
or they sell a non-adjustable aftermarket that will bolt onto the PA centers.
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crazy in vt

01-25-2016 17:53:04




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to Royse, 01-25-2016 16:42:47  
A seller on E Bay is now selling reman power adjust for rims. EBay item number: 401003756380

They have 10 in stock. I was a shock to me when I found them today. I was searching for a spin out rim for a Massey and stumbled upon the ad.



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gmartin

01-25-2016 17:44:52




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to Royse, 01-25-2016 16:42:47  
Yes, my rims look like these. I'm hoping I can remove the rim and then break the bead by laying down a 2X on the tire and driving my truck on the 2X.



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Billy NY

01-25-2016 16:23:54




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to gmartin, 01-25-2016 15:37:15  
I'm assuming the fluid is mostly drained out by now, if not you should drain it first. Most tire guys I've seen would leave the rim and tire on the tractor, break the bead, then use a pair of tire spoons to gently work the bead over the rim. You can only work a small area of that bead over at a time or you will damage the tire at that location. You get one bead over the rim completely, then the other side will follow and its off the rim.

I have taken mine off, rim only for a repair. I did this so I could block up the rear axle, then use the front end loader on the tractor to break the tire bead on the rim. I used some wood blocking under the loader bucket so as to not damage the tire by using it that way, and it worked very easily. I could have then rolled the tire back and make it easier to work on while on the tractor and I assume that is why they do it this way anyways. Tire spoons and some Rim glyde from napa for lubricating the bead and rim. Gemplers is a good supplier of tire tools/supplies, but you can source the spoons at Napa, TSC. I used a pair of them, one a regular curved spoon, another with the ripple for a drop center rim I believe, but I think a matched pair is better. Look on youtube to see how to do it, there has to be some video of someone doing this.

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wellmax99

01-25-2016 16:15:00




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to gmartin, 01-25-2016 15:37:15  
Another thought, depending on your youth and strength and ability to load the tire/wheel once you get it off,
Mind you this is just a suggestion: air up the tire, load tractor on the trailer, take it to the tractor tire repair dealer,

May have to add air to unload the tractor, but they are going to have the equipment to repair the tire, may have to dress the wheel as necessary so the new tube will not be punctured by a rusty wheel,

No danger to you, that tire wheel is going to be heavy and hard to handle when you take it off the tractor,

They put my new tires on and did not take the wheels off, Dressed the wheels as necessary and mounted my new tires and tubes, then I drove the tractor back on the trailer,

Home again with no danger to me, good experience

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gmartin

01-26-2016 15:49:38




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to wellmax99, 01-25-2016 16:15:00  
Running low on both youth & strength but too hard-headed not to try to wrestle it off. Thanks



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sotxbill

01-25-2016 15:46:01




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 Re: removing rear tire on 861 in reply to gmartin, 01-25-2016 15:37:15  
I "break" the lug nuts before its jacked up.. then loosen them and remove the tire. A full tire will weight 330 lbs more so I would definitely pull the valve stem out, with it at bottom and drain as much out of the tire first off then loosen the lug nuts. Most tire guys prefer to leave the tire on the tractor as its easier, but they charge you to come to you around $100. If you can air it up, long enough to get it on a trailer and take it to them. you can save some bucks. So otherwise, you need to pull it off an wrestle it into the truck and take it in. I always pull it at the lug nuts, and have a loader tractor to put the tire in the truck.. unless its my loader tractor.

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