Wagner loader on 3400

gears · Sep 2, 2015

So here's why you've likely not seen a WW3 Wagner on a 3000 series.

Lower tubes don't clear the radius rods or ps cyls.
Do I cut and rebuild the framework to fit or look for a thousand series frame to put my cyls on?

Anyone got good pics of the frame and mounting of their dexta loader?

markct · Sep 2, 2015

Where are you located? I am in Connecticut,
I have a loader off a 4400 I would part
with, I had measured it in the past and
figured out it would fit our 3400 with
making a few brackets, but our 3400 already
has a loader so I don't need two.

gears · Sep 3, 2015

I'm in NE Ohio, I've been wanting to take the family up North camping.... 800 some miles one way.

You don't have pics of how it'd mount do you?

I was hoping to find one that didn't use extensions to the rear axle housings, but maybe that's just how they do it.

Sean in PA · Sep 3, 2015

I think that the distance from the nose of the tractor to to the rear axle on the 3400 is shorter than on the 4400, so if anything you would not use extension brackets to the rear axle on the 3400 where you would use them on the 4400. I got a used Freeman loader a while back that the seller claimed was "made for" my 3 cylinder 4000, but it came with extension brackets to reach the rear axle and I had to use them, while on a 2000/3000 series with the shorter front bolster I believe that it would have mounted right up without the extension brackets. The original brackets for mine were only 3/8" steel and were cracked, had been welded and had cracked again, so I had a local welding shop make up some new ones that were 5/8" and I do believe that is the strongest part of the loader frame now.

gears · Sep 3, 2015

Any chance you could get some pics of that setup Sean?

I was thinking of reciever style rear mounts that the frame could pin into when I bolt it to the front axle.

I keep looking at those 2bolt pads above and below the radius arm mounts as an alternative mounting point...... I just don't want to break the thing in half doing that.

Sean in PA · Sep 3, 2015

My Freeman loader doesn't mount to the front axle or to the sides of the front of the tractor at all. It has a piece on the front that goes across the front of the bolster and utilizes the 4 large bolt holes around the hole for the crankshaft pulley driven pump as the front mount for the loader frame and the rear of the two sides of the frame would end up under the rear axle on a 3 cylinder 2000/3000 series machine and would utilize slightly longer than standard fender bolts to attach to the rear axle. But since the front bolster is longer on the 4000 the main loader frame isn't long enough to reach the rear axle, so the extender brackets are just rectangular pieces of 5/8" steel with holes drilled in them to line up with the fender bolts on the axle and to the original holes on the ends of the frame that would line up with the fender bolts on a 2000/3000. I'll try to get out and snap some picture and post them some time over the next few days.

markct · Sep 3, 2015

A few pics of axle mounts

markct · Sep 3, 2015

Second try

markct · Sep 3, 2015

Well maybe this time, I don't get it I upload them and they show at the bottom then proof gone just text in the post

markct · Sep 3, 2015

I think I got it now

markct · Sep 3, 2015

The two big parts laying across it are unrelated, they are backhoe subframe mounts for a ford

gears · Sep 3, 2015

Thanks Mark, 3rd time's the charm.

So those 4 bolt pads are for U bolts over a square axle/fender mounts right.

The front looks like it mounts to the front bolster like Sean said but does it use a bracket?

Now to convince the wife we want to go camping up there this fall.

markct · Sep 3, 2015

The rears either had u bolts or bolts and
plates I forget, they should be around I
can look. The front mounts to the side of
the casting that held the front axle and
pump, for a 3400 you would need to
fabricate a bracket and pump mount but
still likely easier than reworking the
Wagner jungle gym. I have the bucket that
goes with it, not terribly beat up but the
floor is wore thru at the corners so some
welding would be needed. It came with a
parts tractor, not looking for huge money
at all as it definitely needs work but if
you are interested I can email or text you
more pictures and measurements.

Sean in PA · Sep 4, 2015

From Mark's first picture, it looks like the pads on his for mounting to the rear axle slide in and out of the main loader frame and might allow it to fit the length of the 2000/3000 as well as the 4000 without having to use extenders like my Freeman loader does.

I can't tell how his mounts to the front of the tractor, so maybe that's where you'll need different brackets between the 3000 and 4000.

markct · Sep 4, 2015

No it's all rigid no sliding, definitely
would need modification but would likely be
a better start than the Wagner, and look a
lot better when done

gears · Sep 4, 2015

Mark, the wife told me she doesn't want to see CT that badly, she'd rather go to the Smokey mountains.

I appreciate the pics, I'm going to hope to find a better loader candidate a little closer to home.

markct · Sep 4, 2015

No problem at all, its not likely to go anywhere anyhow, like i said was an extra that came with a
parts tractor so it just sits in my collection.

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