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No start problem, Ford 4000 gas

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jwilbur

09-19-2013 17:48:04




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I recently bought a Ford 4000 from a women who's dad passed away. It is a 1964 Industrial model with a 4 cylinder gas engine. Its been in a garage for 2+ years unstarted. The women had someone try to get it started but he could not. I noticed the firing order was incorrect so I pointed the rotor to #1 on the cap and set the wires up in this order: 1,2,4,3. It does have spark. I put my finger over the spark plug holes and it would blow my finger off the hole. Next I removed the carburetor and disassembled it, blew out every hole with carb. cleaner (the carb. already looks to be newer and very clean.
I put it back on, used the choke and cranked the tractor over. Fuel came out of the carb. after choking it. The tractor did notfire at all. I squirted a little carb. cleaner in the carb. and tried again, still nothing. I pulled a spark plug and it was dry ( I assumed it would be soaked from choking the hel? out of it.) Anyone have suggestions or ideas?

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Sean in PA

09-22-2013 03:52:15




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to jwilbur, 09-19-2013 17:48:04  
Then it sounds like it was converted to 12 volts. I wonder why it had a 6 volt battery in it then? I'm surprised the battery was working at all at that point. It should have been boiled dry if t had been run with a 12 volt charging circuit for very long.



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Sean in PA

09-21-2013 12:27:51




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to jwilbur, 09-19-2013 17:48:04  
A 6 volt tractor will start on a 12 volt battery just fine. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's been converted to a 12 volt charging system. Lots of folks jump start their 6 volt tractors from a 12 volt battery regularly, but they jump directly to the starter just to start it, and doing that won't hurt anything. If you put a 12 volt battery into a 6 volt tractor that hasn't been converted and and run it that way the battery is not going to charge, and it may even damage other electronics in the tractor.
Does it have a generator or an alternator?
What is the voltage across the battery while the engine is running?
This post was edited by Sean in PA at 03:49:22 09/22/13.

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Jwilbur

09-21-2013 16:45:13




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to Sean in PA, 09-21-2013 12:27:51  
When running it puts out 14.2 volts. Coil is 12v. With tractor off battery reads 12.8v. The working hour meter reads 488 hours, looks to be the original hour meter. It's had 1 repaint.
Didn't mean to make anyone angry about the 6v 12v thing.



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jwilbur

09-20-2013 16:07:16




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to jwilbur, 09-19-2013 17:48:04  
Update: I had the tractor picked up and delivered to my home. I have a neighbor who owns many tractors do all my pickups. Anyway his first question to me was "who worked on this thing?) They put a 6 volt battery in a 12 volt tractor.(wasn't me) I just assumed because it has a 6 volt in it, it must be 6 volt. This may also be the reason they gave me 2 extra starters with the tractor. Tomorrow I will throw in a 12 volt and see what happens.

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Texas!

09-20-2013 19:20:55




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to jwilbur, 09-20-2013 16:07:16  
You stated in the original post that it has a 4 cylinder gas engine. Therefore it left the factory with a 6 Volt, Positive Ground electrical system. Your neighbor doesn't know what he's talking about.



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Jwilbur

09-21-2013 11:24:54




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to Texas!, 09-20-2013 19:20:55  
Maybe he is wrong from all the information I read, but I put a 12volt in anyway and it started right up, go figure?



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Texas!

09-21-2013 12:22:33




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to Jwilbur, 09-21-2013 11:24:54  
There's nothing to figure- of course it will run on 12V. But if it still has the 6V generator it won't charge the battery. And if it still has a 6V coil it won't last very long on 12V.



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soundguy

09-20-2013 16:31:29




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to jwilbur, 09-20-2013 16:07:16  
before you change out bats.. check it. genny or alt?

it left the factory 6v if gas and 4 cyl.

12v if diesel

12v if 3 cyl

if it has an alt.. it most likely needs negative ground. if that 6v was in their positive ground.. it could have killed the alt even at 6v..

post back



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old

09-19-2013 18:40:30




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to jwilbur, 09-19-2013 17:48:04  
Sitting 2 plus years will cause odd problems. I would do an ATF treatment to it and try again. Also double check your spark as in blue/white and jump a 1/4 inch gap then do not depend on the cap being correct as to firing order. So make sure when #1 on the cap is there that the piston is there also



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Texas!

09-19-2013 18:22:52




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to jwilbur, 09-19-2013 17:48:04  
#1 on the cap doesn't have to be connected to #1 spark plug. If someone pulled the distributor out and replaced it with the rotor pointing somewhere other than #1 you now have a new #1 nipple on the cap. Pull all of the spark plugs, put your thumb on the #1 cylinder plug hole and have someone turn the crank slowly until you fell compression building under your thumb. Now look in the timing window and watch for the timing marks to appear as your helper continues to rotate the crankshaft. When the timing marks line up look and see where the rotor is pointing. That is your #1 nipple and connect the wires in the proper firing order.

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soundguy

09-19-2013 18:01:43




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 Re: No start problem, Ford 4000 gas in reply to jwilbur, 09-19-2013 17:48:04  
I'd recheck fire order and make sure the dizzy wasn't pulled.

ont he thumb test. check for vacume as well as pressure. stuck closed intakes and bent push rods might make a blow off the finger.. but not suck any. intakes tend to stick more than exhausts. worth a look. I've personally experienced stuck valves.. and it was a 4000 gasser too.. :) spendy push rods I might add. :)



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