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12-11-2012 13:33:33

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I am looking for a 4 bolt 10 splined drive hub for a massey furguson 165 ad4-204 diesel. This is the hub that bolts to the crank pulley and drives the front mtd. pump for a freeman loader. I understand that freeman may have used some of the same parts across equipment mfg. such as a 4000 ford.

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12-12-2012 15:59:52

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 Re: freeman loader in reply to hess, 12-11-2012 13:33:33  
There is no guarantee that a crankshaft drive hub that fits a Ford engine is going to fit a Perkins engine found in the Massey. You are going to have to measure the bolt pattern and size.

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12-11-2012 14:54:07

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 Re: freeman loader in reply to hess, 12-11-2012 13:33:33  
If you have a local Case/IH/New Holland dealer close by check with them that is where I go the last one I got for a ford 3000. Shoot this site may even have them

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12-11-2012 14:57:39

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 Re: freeman loader in reply to old, 12-11-2012 14:54:07  
Was the hub for the 4000 like the one I described?

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12-11-2012 15:06:25

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 Re: freeman loader in reply to hess, 12-11-2012 14:57:39  
Pretty much one or 2 different hubs. The same one that fits on my 8N is the same as the one on my 841 and also the 3000 I worked on not long ago. Been doing this stuff for years and there is only 3 or 4 different ones that I have ever ran across. Shoot for that matter the number of splines will not matter if you buy the hub and shaft as a unit which you should do since if the hub has gone bad the spline shaft will most likely show signs of wear and I learned the hard way to replace as a unit or you will be doing it again soon there after

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12-11-2012 16:13:54

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 Re: freeman loader in reply to old, 12-11-2012 15:06:25  
This loader is actually from a 35. I have both the shaft and hub off of that tractor. The shaft is worn but the hub is not. I purchased the splined shaft I need from agco. The hub is unavailable through them however.

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12-11-2012 17:30:15

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 Re: freeman loader in reply to hess, 12-11-2012 16:13:54  
That is odd since I checked that not long ago when I was doing that 3000 but then I did not go to agco I went to Case/IH/New Holland/Ford to get he parts

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12-11-2012 18:09:35

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 Re: freeman loader in reply to old, 12-11-2012 17:30:15  
We have a ford/new holland dealer nearby and I will check with them tomarrow. The 3000's came in 3 or 4 cylinder options correct? Were the crank pulleys the same on these? The part # needed for my tractor is 3616151. That is the fremman/bushhog #.Thanks

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Sean in PA

12-12-2012 05:55:35

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 Re: freeman loader in reply to hess, 12-11-2012 18:09:35  
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The 2000 and 4000 were both available in the earlier ('62-64) 4 cylinder version and the later ('65-'75) 3 cylinder version. The 3000 was only available in the later ('65-'75) 3 cylinder thousand series. There are 2 different part numbers for the hub, one for the 4 cylinder models and another for the 3 cylinder models.
The Ford part number for the hub for earlier 4 cylinder models is 290421.

The Ford part number for the hub for later 3 cylinder models is 86509731.

I suspect that the only difference between the 2 is the spacing and/or size of the 4 holes that mount the hub to the pulley.

Note that these are both Ford part numbers and that is the only thing that you will probably be able to find from a New Holland dealer. Ford sold their own loaders with front mount pumps, and the hubs for those loaders would be what they would probably carry. The Freeman part number that you are looking for may or may not be interchangeable with one or the other of these Ford parts, but your Freeman part number probably won't mean much to them unless they are also a Bush hog dealer.
You might want to check with a Bush Hog dealer first, as Bush Hog apparently bought Freeman, and a Google search of your Freeman part number shows as being a bush hog part number now as well, but it looks like it may be "no longer available" as I couldn't find anyone who has it in stock.

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12-12-2012 17:20:55

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 Re: freeman loader in reply to Sean in PA, 12-12-2012 05:55:35  
Thanks for your post. On the bushhog website it lists the part# I mentioned, being used on 165's as well as 3 and 4000's.

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12-11-2012 18:23:54

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 Re: freeman loader in reply to hess, 12-11-2012 18:09:35  
From what I have run into the hub and shaft are all the same be it a 8N or my 841 or that 3 cylinder 3000. Sorry I do not have more info then that but I did not write the part numbers down and it has been a few years since I replace that complete hub/shaft but did have to check on it when I was repairing this 3000 ford with Brush hog loader on it

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